Religion and Atheism

[Siggie]

Re: Religion and Atheism

You're not doing a very good job of being agnostic then.

[KanadaHye]

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I'm not religious = I have no self discipline

"the undisciplined are slaves to moods, appetites and passions”.

In the longer term, the undisciplined lack the freedom that comes with possessing particular skills and abilities. For many people discipline is a dirty word that is equated with the absence of freedom. In fact the opposite is true. Discipline is freedom.

[Siggie]

Re: Religion and Atheism

I'm not religious = I have no self discipline

Where in the world would you draw this conclusion from?

How is doing things out of fear of going to hell discipline anyway?

[KanadaHye]

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Where in the world would you draw this conclusion from?

How is doing things out of fear of going to hell discipline anyway?

Fear of going to hell? I suppose if you don't listen to your boss because you don't want to lose your job and end up on the streets, that could be hell.

[Siggie]

Re: Religion and Atheism

Fear of going to hell? I suppose if you don't listen to your boss because you don't want to lose your job and end up on the streets, that could be hell.

I didn't say that's the only time people act out of fear of the consequences. It doesn't make it better that people do it in other circumstances.

YOU are the one who implied the religious are disciplined, whereas the non-religious are not. Now, defend that claim with some evidence plox.

[KanadaHye]

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I didn't say that's the only time people act out of fear of the consequences. It doesn't make it better that people do it in other circumstances.

YOU are the one who implied the religious are disciplined, whereas the non-religious are not. Now, defend that claim with some evidence plox.

WHAT??? Ever hear of the term disciples? Religion is ALL about discipline.

[Siggie]

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WHAT??? Ever hear of the term disciples? Religion is ALL about discipline.

Just because it's part of the etymology of a word that's associated with religion, doesn't mean the religious are more disciplined.

Besides... it's not.

Disciple
O.E. discipul (fem. discipula), Biblical borrowing from L. discipulus "pupil, student, follower," from a lost compound *discipere "to grasp intellectually, analyze thoroughly," from dis- "apart" (see dis-) + capere "to take, take hold of" (see capable). Cf. L. capulus "handle" from capere. Sometimes glossed in O.E. by ţegn

So, really it means "scholar"... Guess that makes me disciplined? Oops.

I am asking you to defend the claim that the non-religious are undisciplined by comparison to the religious.

[KanadaHye]

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Just because it's part of the etiology of a word that's associated with religion, doesn't mean the religious are more disciplined.

I am asking you to defend the claim that the non-religious are undisciplined by comparison to the religious.

Well since you live under the brainwashing that is America, you probably denote "religiosity" with belief when in fact there are distinct disciplines associated with every Religion which molds an individual into a useful/active person seeking fulfillment instead of a lazy schmo.

[Siggie]

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Well since you live under the brainwashing that is America, you probably denote "religiosity" with belief when in fact there are distinct disciplines associated with every Religion which molds an individual into a useful/active person seeking fulfillment instead of a lazy schmo.

You're assuming that the non-religious do not seek any fulfillment. You must establish the veracity of this assumption/premise before you use it to draw your conclusion. Please try again.

[KanadaHye]

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You're assuming that the non-religious do not seek any fulfillment. You must establish the veracity of this assumption/premise before you use it to draw your conclusion. Please try again.

That all depends on what they are trying to fulfill. If someone is trying to fulfill their basic needs then they really don't have much of a goal.