Religion and Atheism

[Siggie]

Re: Religion and Atheism

That all depends on what they are trying to fulfill. If someone is trying to fulfill their basic needs then they really don't have much of a goal.

Sorry, I missed the part of your post where you established that the non-religious do not seek fulfillment.
You want to modify it now and narrow what you mean by "fullfillment"? Go for it... define it and then establish it.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Religion and Atheism

So, really it means "scholar"... Guess that makes me disciplined? Oops.

I am asking you to defend the claim that the non-religious are undisciplined by comparison to the religious.

In English it only refers to a scholar, in Latin it refers to a learner, scholar, pupil, disciple, student, follower. Someone who is self disciplined (such as those who follow the teachings of Christ) should have self control over their moods, appetites and desires so the "rules" that are created by society to suppress those things don't apply to them. They don't need to be "put in order". They are free of the chains that binds them.

[Siggie]

Re: Religion and Atheism

In English it only refers to a scholar, in Latin it refers to a learner, scholar, pupil, disciple, student, follower. Someone who is self disciplined (such as those who follow the teachings of Christ) should have self control over their moods, appetites and desires so the "rules" that are created by society to suppress those things don't apply to them. They don't need to be "put in order". They are free of the chains that binds them.

And the religious leaders in the Catholic church especially have done an excellent job of exercising self-control over their appetites and desires.

Give more concrete examples of what you mean please. I think you're headed toward that old and inaccurate assumption about morality.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Religion and Atheism

Sorry, I missed the part of your post where you established that the non-religious do not seek fulfillment.
You want to modify it now and narrow what you mean by "fullfillment"? Go for it... define it and then establish it.

I missed the part where I said that the non-religious doesn't seek fulfillment. However, if they do seek fulfillment then it seems they are caught in a contradiction and believe that life has a purpose.

[KanadaHye]

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And the religious leaders in the Catholic church especially have done an excellent job of exercising self-control over their appetites and desires.

Right, because a few bad apples out of the bunch spoils the whole crate.... typical anti-religion logic.

[Siggie]

Re: Religion and Atheism

I missed the part where I said that the non-religious doesn't seek fulfillment. However, if they do seek fulfillment then it seems they are caught in a contradiction and believe that life has a purpose.

It's funny that you waited this long to try to say you didn't even say that. Let me remind you...

Well since you live under the brainwashing that is America, you probably denote "religiosity" with belief when in fact there are distinct disciplines associated with every Religion which molds an individual into a useful/active person seeking fulfillment instead of a lazy schmo.

Then I said...

You're assuming that the non-religious do not seek any fulfillment. You must establish the veracity of this assumption/premise before you use it to draw your conclusion. Please try again.

Then you didn't correct it and we exchanged a couple more responses still...

So, what? Now you're saying the non-religious and religious both seek fulfillment equally? Because it sounded like you were saying there's a difference between them in degree of discipline initially, then you shifted to fulfillment before you established that there is indeed a difference in discipline.

Right, because a few bad apples out of the bunch spoils the whole crate.... typical anti-religion logic.

Ah, but you do the same thing. You yourself keep bringing up communists when atheism comes up.
Remember the statement about the logic of this, because I'm going to refer you back to this when you do it yourself. Ahhh... progress... I love it.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Religion and Atheism

Ah, but you do the same thing. You yourself keep bringing up communists when atheism comes up.
Remember the statement about the logic of this, because I'm going to refer you back to this when you do it yourself. Ahhh... progress... I love it.

Like I said, you don't want to live in a free America, you want to live in Soviet Russia. Everything you want and advocate is what Soviet Russia was all about.

[Siggie]

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Like I said, you don't want to live in a free America, you want to live in Soviet Russia. Everything you want and advocate is what Soviet Russia was all about.

I want to ask what exactly you think "everything I want and advocate" are (you know, since you either can read my mind or we've known each other so long, you just know me that well...), but that's not the topic here and I don't particularly want to let you out of defending the claims you made...

Discipline? Fulfillment? Go!

[KanadaHye]

Re: Religion and Atheism

I want to ask what exactly you think "everything I want and advocate" are (you know, since you either can read my mind or we've known each other so long, you just know me that well...), but that's not the topic here and I don't particularly want to let you out of defending the claims you made...

Discipline? Fulfillment? Go!

Oh, I can tell just by your thought process (programmed by Soviet J3wish propaganda)

Here is the widespread abortion you advocate article by: Victor Agadjanian
http://business.highbeam.com/6081/ar...views-abortion

Feminism
http://www.realussr.com/ussr/ussr-th...e-of-feminism/

Anti-religion Campaign in the Soviet Union
http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com...propaganda.htm

[Siggie]

Re: Religion and Atheism

Oh, I can tell just by your thought process (programmed by Soviet J3wish propaganda)

Here is the widespread abortion you advocate article by: Victor Agadjanian
http://business.highbeam.com/6081/ar...views-abortion

Feminism
http://www.realussr.com/ussr/ussr-th...e-of-feminism/

Anti-religion Campaign in the Soviet Union
http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com...propaganda.htm

Oh yeah... Hitler was a Christian, therefore Christians must also be nazis.
That's kind of what you're doing... communists were anti-religion, therefore all non-religious persons must be communists. Yay! What a victory for logic.

And you have a terrible read of me. I do not advocate widespread abortion, don't agree with much of the modern (3rd wave i guess?) feminist movement, and I think communism was a terrible idea (I'm a fan of personal responsibility).