Armenian lesbians/gays

[Siggie]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

You guys make it sound like you need to suppress having any independent thought or "undesirable" quality in oneself in order to be a "good Armenian." It's rather sad.

This member didn't come here to talk people into being homosexual, which is how you all make it sound. Don't demand that she be silent just because you don't agree with what she says or in your (misguided; my opinion) opinion you think the message promotes the right things.

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[Mos]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

What's the difference?

Difference? You offend Jesus's name by even comparing him to hippy degenerates.

[Sip]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

Difference? You offend Jesus's name by even comparing him to hippy degenerates.

I am serious. But are you seriously equating "cultural liberalism of the west" with "hippy degenerates"? If so, then I can see what the problem is here but if that's not what you think, my question still stands. What is it in-specific about "cultural liberalism" that is making you so unhappy and how is it different from the liberalism of the Jesus days?

[Sip]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

And by the way, this theme comes up over and over and over and over ... someone mentions homosexuals and immediately the discussion turns into having sex with animals, children, and all sorts of other perversions. Similarly when the term "liberal" comes up in the US at least, immediately a bunch of conservatives bring up the term "hippy" and start talking about crack-babies who get their drugs from welfare checks and similar extreme examples.

Of course the reality is those are extremes ... the great majority of what concerns our real life has nothing to do with those extremes. Just because you are a Catholic priest doesn't mean you are a pedophile for example (if my previous pun wasn't obvious). And just because you have socially liberal views doesn't mean you are a "hippy" lol

On the other hand, I would love to see attempts to distinguish Jesus from hippies as the hippies I have seen are much closer in how they live their lives to the Jesus I have learned about than pretty much any other human I have ever come accross ... but that's another thread I am sure.

[Mos]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

I am serious. But are you seriously equating "cultural liberalism of the west" with "hippy degenerates"? If so, then I can see what the problem is here but if that's not what you think, my question still stands. What is it in-specific about "cultural liberalism" that is making you so unhappy and how is it different from the liberalism of the Jesus days?

Well, it's the notions of multi-culturalism, aggressive feminism, anti-religion, pacifism, that are all a product of the new liberal cultural mindset that has formed over the decades. Just take Western Europe as an example and see how society there has been ruined by multiculutralism (even presidents there admitted this) and another product of that liberal mindset has been the destruction of the family unit in favour of being "free from the family" or "rebelling against parents and establishment" and so on. Europe too once had a conservative Christian culture and over time that was destroyed in exchange for this garbage. I don't wan that in Hayastan.

And by the way, this theme comes up over and over and over and over ... someone mentions homosexuals and immediately the discussion turns into having sex with animals, children, and all sorts of other perversions. Similarly when the term "liberal" comes up in the US at least, immediately a bunch of conservatives bring up the term "hippy" and start talking about crack-babies who get their drugs from welfare checks and similar extreme examples.

Of course the reality is those are extremes ... the great majority of what concerns our real life has nothing to do with those extremes. Just because you are a Catholic priest doesn't mean you are a pedophile for example (if my previous pun wasn't obvious). And just because you have socially liberal views doesn't mean you are a "hippy" lol

On the other hand, I would love to see attempts to distinguish Jesus from hippies as the hippies I have seen are much closer in how they live their lives to the Jesus I have learned about than pretty much any other human I have ever come accross ... but that's another thread I am sure.

Well I'm against the rule that Catholic priests can't marry. I think that's a mistake. Priests should be encouraged to marry and make families, after-all that's love.

[Sip]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

Well, it's the notions of multi-culturalism, aggressive feminism, anti-religion, pacifism, that are all a product of the new liberal cultural mindset that has formed over the decades. Just take Western Europe as an example and see how society there has been ruined by multiculutralism (even presidents there admitted this) and another product of that liberal mindset has been the destruction of the family unit in favour of being "free from the family" or "rebelling against parents and establishment" and so on. Europe too once had a conservative Christian culture and over time that was destroyed in exchange for this garbage. I don't wan that in Hayastan.

Keep in mind my question was the difference with what Jesus stood for. So you are saying Jesus would be against multi-culturism, feminism, and pacifism?

WHAAAAAAAAAT?

Jesus was the absolute embodiment of pacifism (turn the other cheek).

As far as feminism, I would really have a very hard time believing Jesus would not be for equal rights for women. I don't think "liberal" mindset these days are destroying families. It is just that women have started enjoying the same kinds of rights as men and now have power to earn their own income. This is leading to the demise of the old-school family dynamic where the woman was chained to the man as his servant.

I don't quite know what you mean by "multi-culturalism" but if it is referring to how the muslims are taking over and destroying Europe, then yah I agree Jesus would be against that. He would definitely be anti that kind of religion.

[Flamenkita]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

This might interest some folks who are posting here.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/homophobic-maybe-youre-gay.html?_r=2

[Flamenkita]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

Hey Mos, why so angry? If it were up to people like you and that crazy dude Gor whatever his last name who is spewing crap about multiculturalism, etc., Armenia would look no different that Taliban Afghanistan. That's not an Armenia I want to live in or raise my children in. And I don't think very many educated or enlightened individuals would be OK with living in a place like that. Already there is a drain. What would happen if Armenistan actually came to be?

[Siggie]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

This might interest some folks who are posting here.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/op...-gay.html?_r=2

The level of hostility here is such that does leave one at a loss for some explanation, doesn't it? I struggle to make sense of it, too.

[Siggie]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

Hey Mos, why so angry? If it were up to people like you and that crazy dude Gor whatever his last name who is spewing crap about multiculturalism, etc., Armenia would look no different that Taliban Afghanistan. That's not an Armenia I want to live in or raise my children in. And I don't think very many educated or enlightened individuals would be OK with living in a place like that. Already there is a drain. What would happen if Armenistan actually came to be?

I think it works against Armenia's in just this way. I agree that it would discourage the educated from "repatriation."
I can't speak for anyone else, but I know that I certainly wouldn't want to live in such a society.