Armenian lesbians/gays

[ADandelion]

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Then Egypt blew up ... China will take some time. But for the rest of the world, who is going to go and flip all the switch on these routers? It won't happen. The people will NOT let it. Don't know if you saw what happened with SOPA and PIPA in the US recently but the backlash will be horrendous if anyone tried (they may try to sneak some things but they won't be able to do any big dents).

The Chinese are making a nice little dent in their firewall. I believe there was an Anon operation to facilitate one of those, though its validity and effectiveness is up for debate.

They're humble beginnings, but a population as massive and quickly developing as China's can't be held back for long when it doesn't want to be.

[KanadaHye]

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KanadaHye, I know next to nothing about Judaic beliefs, so I won't touch a subject I can't hold my ground on.

However, I will say this. The arguments used by part of a group does not mean that a whole group uses them, or that the message they are using a poor tool to communicate is invalid.

I've had more than my fair share of hostile encounters with radical feminists. Never encountered Talmudic principles before, or having encountered them never recognized them for what they are.

Flamenkita never evoked them. It's as senseless talking about Judaism in relation to her as it would be to compare Mos to Hitler, though both strongly embrace(d) nationalism. On the flip side, Aquinas used Natural Law to argue that animal suffering is meaningless, while Martin Luther King Jr. used the very same arguments to advocate black equality through logic.



Now, since you obviously evoked the Talmud's law as something that's negative, kindly explain as to why it is so.

It all depends on how you look at things. At some point in the last century, millions of people died fighting Communism which was essentially a system where everyone was a slave earning the same dollar figure filling the pockets of the elite. So now we have feminists and the likes preaching the same thing saying that everyone should be equal regardless of how much or little contribution they make to society. They don't realize that it's just a political movement to shift all power back over to the elite (by essentially taking it all away from men). Talmudic laws are logical if you're a J3w since they are the law makers and the elite. For everyone else....

[ADandelion]

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All right, but what does that have to do with these philosophical principles in Judaism?

Are you arguing that every life doesn't have equal value? i.e that killing an infant is more or less valid than killing a thief? Because that's a whole other debate, where we would have to examine whether being male or female makes your life intrinsically more valuable.

I don't think Communism is quite the same thing as feminism. Communism in its ideal creates equal living conditions as a result of unequal contribution. Feminism seems to want equality without really understanding what it is - to make apples and oranges taste equally good when their flavors can't be equated to one another.

A whole other debate, and an interesting one at that, would involve examining how much of the difference between the role of men and women is biological and unchangeable, and how much of it has been conditioned into us over generations.



If equality means not having people stand in your way when you try to shape your life into what you feel it should be, then that is valid. Although for some feminists equality means being entitled to something based solely on their gender, that is a corruption of the word's true meaning and of their professed ideals.

Women's rights aren't as black and white as a group trying to stake a claim in more than its fair share of power. It's a complex social phenomenon that I think no one really fully understands, and that includes its advocates.

For me personally, while I see the general aim of feminism to be admirable, some of its specific goals seem unfocused and/or unattainable. I have had my own experiences with feminists, good and bad, but I can't say they exemplify everyone who shares their ideology on the simple basis that I haven't met most self-proclaimed feminists to be able to generalize them.

[KanadaHye]

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All right, but what does that have to do with these philosophical principles in Judaism?

Are you arguing that every life doesn't have equal value? i.e that killing an infant is more or less valid than killing a thief? Because that's a whole other debate, where we would have to examine whether being male or female makes your life intrinsically more valuable.

That's precisely the logical debate. In China when given the choice of one child per couple, they chose to abort the girls and keep the boys. Sounds harsh but we do put values on life whether we like it or not. Some people are worth more dead than alive through their life insurance policy.

So the idea is if you believe everyone is equal, why have money? The first step is to convince you that you are going to work regardless so as long as you're fed and housed, you don't need money. If you're going to make the same regardless, what's going to motivate you to work and society to advance?

[ADandelion]

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We have money because we are a species that operates the most efficiently out of productive self-interest. Thus - capitalism and the massive spurt of economic growth that followed its utilization.


The question of whether everyone is equal is one neither you nor I are equipped to answer conclusively. But I don't think money has anything to do with our quality as people. Currency has been implemented as a tool of convenience, not by way of social commentary. We do not wear clothes because of how beautiful we are in comparison to one another.

A boy or a girl has greater value depending on the context of their birth. In a culture where a son sends his father away when he comes of age and a girl takes care of her parents in their advanced years, a girl would be more desirable. Contextual value has no bearing on intrinsic value, and intrinsic value is so abstract that it's very difficult to define, let alone quantify and compare.

[KanadaHye]

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At any time, the elite could have chosen to let Communism defeat Capitalism (remember back to Mikhail Gorbachev). I remember this well because the same day Gorbachev declared the end of the cold war, there was that earth quake in Armenia. The elite could have just as well let the red army take Europe but chose to give power over to the American military.

Blah... lol

[ADandelion]

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Going back to Yerevan, it's interesting to see how the earthquake shaped the city's plans. The vernisages that take place in Yerevan are situated in spaces where buildings stood and fell due to structural damage. And the area where Severni Prospect was built used to be a really run-down area that was hit pretty hard, and the damage it suffered was a big reason as to why it was chosen for total refurbishment.

[Armanen]

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When we look at Armenia during the Soviet days we can see that two income families was the norm and only now the idea of woman should stay home is coming up, I don't think many people could imagine something like this in the SU because there the state said that you had to work.
So again I'm wondering where does the idea that single income family is the norm in the world because for most of our modern history it hasn't been the norm, especially during WWI and WWII.

Armenia was only under the USSR for 70 years. And while many women worked, they were also expected to look after the children. Of course extended family helped with the upbringing of the kids as well. Armenians under the Persian, Russian, and Ottoman empires though, were mostly peasants, craftsman, or merchants. And in that set up, the women did not work. Duel income family is a modern construct if we are not counting home chores that women did, because while that is work, they did not get paid for it.

[Armanen]

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Nothing new here -everytime a inteligent woman comes into this forum the hetamnats guys run her out. I hate what the west has done to this world via materialism and zionism but i also acknowledge the progress it has made including womens rights. Some people wana stay in the past never realizing that even in the past things were never as messed up as their minds are today. People think women only had sex after marriage in the old days and that is just funny bs. In the old days people didnt have computers and tv so guess what they did when they had free time. The only way to keep women from having premaritalsex was to marry them off at 14 years of age and thats even more messed up today then it was back then. People tend to romantisize the past believing that somehow back then humanity had everyting figured out but the reality is that we are improving our lives over time as we humans learn more about the world we live in and about our ourselves.Culutre and religion evolve overtime these are not static things and evolution is key to survival in the natural as well as the cultural world. The more we try to hang on to a idealized past that never existed to begin with the further back we set our society. Change is the only constant so you might as well embrace it instead of fighting it and hurting those around you. Driving away women ensures that we have no future and driving away progress means we cannot even comprehend a future.

I forgot you could time travel, and therefore know how people lived in the past. Thanks for letting us know. Perhaps when you are not doing that, you can work on your spelling and punctuation.

[KanadaHye]

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Armenia was only under the USSR for 70 years. And while many women worked, they were also expected to look after the children. Of course extended family helped with the upbringing of the kids as well. Armenians under the Persian, Russian, and Ottoman empires though, were mostly peasants, craftsman, or merchants. And in that set up, the women did not work. Duel income family is a modern construct if we are not counting home chores that women did, because while that is work, they did not get paid for it.

That's correct and in America, women worked during WW2 after which they retired and brought into the world the baby boomers.