Parenting

[thedebutante]

ohh yes i know this one was directed at me... and you know what i have done that i have paid for more then 50% of all the dates i've been on... and if havent paid for them then i have at least paid for half of the evening (movie or dinner)

trust me... i dont speak it i live it... and i do "walk the walk"

Ahhh, nice! You walk the walk. Well, I think the thought. So like, does that mean he would have one baby and you would have the other? Look, I'm probably as into this equality s h i t as anyone. But biologically speaking, we are not equal. Therefore, we can never be completely equal. No two men could be equal. Let alone a man and a woman. Yes, I also like to pay for my part, but don't you ever just like it when he comes from behind and gives you this awesome hug and you succumb knowing that you're with your man and it's all good? All I'm saying is that what we want is equality in opportunity and respect...

[Tres Bien]

actually they can be equal, the man or the women, one of them, the weaker of them will eventually become more like the other person- if the marriage or the relationship failes to succeed.or perhaps its not got to do with who is weaker of them but who by the years has turned weak for various reasons. never stay in a relationshop or marriage if it doesnt work, not one day longer!!! Or you wil turn into a frog just like your partner is.

[Anonymouse]

actually they can be equal, the man or the women, one of them, the weaker of them will eventually become more like the other person- if the marriage or the relationship failes to succeed.

This is the most perfect and lucid example of how something makes absolutely no sense.

[Stark Evade]

What the hell is everyone talking about in here?

[Tres Bien]

hold your horses mister...i was editing Sense chka?

[Tres Bien]

hey everyone lets ALL move to armenia!

[nunechka]

OMG people... so some people want to look at the biological differences of humans and say "hey we are not equal" are you like 5 years old or something... OBVIOUSLY the argument is NOT about your testicles or vagina... or that you have bigger sholders then i do... different muscle structure...

the argurment is about what type of role parents play in their childrens lives... so men used to not play an emotional role, but that is changing as it was stated previously...

now the word equality is not the same as word different... A and B can produce C... we need both... but the argrument is NOT whether we need both it is whether those to elements (A and B) should put in equal TIME... thats the plain and simple statement... THATS IT!

so "we will never be equal" is a phrase that only the weak and intimidated say... mostly people who are sexist, racist, anything else that makes your belief EXTREME...

so dont give me this loose argument when you havent read the previous posts...

and if you have read the previous posts, then go back and make sure that you understand that we are old enough here to know the obvious penis vs. vagina argument...

i am not 5 yrs old and niether are you, so logically speaking we both know the physical/biological differences of the human body... that is not the same thing as the CULTURAL gender role played by individuals in parenting...

in essence, a gender is not the same as sex... look it up, i know its hard to grasp but its TURE... gender is a given identity after you are born BY your culture and society, while sex is determind by the biological enzyms and all that crap... you can be born a male, but LOVE to cook and clean, and never be let to do this because you are told that your gender is |MALE| and that is IT! we dont do that... we dont cry we dont get emotional, we are MEN, take it like a man... boys dont cry...

this my dear is all learned, not somehow a physical attribute, because if it was you would not produce TEARS, but you do... SO THERE that is simple enough for my little brother who is 10 to understand, can you???

anywho, i know that we all have the best intentions when posting, and i truly feel that i also have the best intention... i want to informative and inuitive... so please dont think i am attacking, i am just being a loud woman... and that is a good thing since there arent enough loud women out there...

thanks for you time, have a sexy day...

[Anonymouse]

OMG people... so some people want to look at the biological differences of humans and say "hey we are not equal" are you like 5 years old or something... OBVIOUSLY the argument is NOT about your testicles or vagina... or that you have bigger sholders then i do... different muscle structure...

the argurment is about what type of role parents play in their childrens lives... so men used to not play an emotional role, but that is changing as it was stated previously...

now the word equality is not the same as word different... A and B can produce C... we need both... but the argrument is NOT whether we need both it is whether those to elements (A and B) should put in equal TIME... thats the plain and simple statement... THATS IT!

so "we will never be equal" is a phrase that only the weak and intimidated say... mostly people who are sexist, racist, anything else that makes your belief EXTREME...

so dont give me this loose argument when you havent read the previous posts...

and if you have read the previous posts, then go back and make sure that you understand that we are old enough here to know the obvious penis vs. vagina argument...

i am not 5 yrs old and niether are you, so logically speaking we both know the physical/biological differences of the human body... that is not the same thing as the CULTURAL gender role played by individuals in parenting...

in essence, a gender is not the same as sex... look it up, i know its hard to grasp but its TURE... gender is a given identity after you are born BY your culture and society, while sex is determind by the biological enzyms and all that crap... you can be born a male, but LOVE to cook and clean, and never be let to do this because you are told that your gender is |MALE| and that is IT! we dont do that... we dont cry we dont get emotional, we are MEN, take it like a man... boys dont cry...

this my dear is all learned, not somehow a physical attribute, because if it was you would not produce TEARS, but you do... SO THERE that is simple enough for my little brother who is 10 to understand, can you???

anywho, i know that we all have the best intentions when posting, and i truly feel that i also have the best intention... i want to informative and inuitive... so please dont think i am attacking, i am just being a loud woman... and that is a good thing since there arent enough loud women out there...

thanks for you time, have a sexy day...

Oh be quiet you hippie. Read about equality before you know what it is.

http://forum.armenianclub.com/showthread.php?t=3050

It's realistic people that argue against equality, not sexist, racist people. The only people that rant about equality are the ones that know nothing about it and are usually the feministic, hippie types anyway.

Gender is a reflection of the persons sex, just like culture is a reflection of a person's race. Those are generalities with exceptions to the rules. People who do not understand this are of the Marxist persuasion that all things are "socially constructed" and can be made pliable and changed. That is stupid, if I do say so myself.

[thedebutante]

OMG people... so some people want to look at the biological differences of humans and say "hey we are not equal" are you like 5 years old or something... OBVIOUSLY the argument is NOT about your testicles or vagina... or that you have bigger sholders then i do... different muscle structure...

the argurment is about what type of role parents play in their childrens lives... so men used to not play an emotional role, but that is changing as it was stated previously...

now the word equality is not the same as word different... A and B can produce C... we need both... but the argrument is NOT whether we need both it is whether those to elements (A and B) should put in equal TIME... thats the plain and simple statement... THATS IT!

so "we will never be equal" is a phrase that only the weak and intimidated say... mostly people who are sexist, racist, anything else that makes your belief EXTREME...

so dont give me this loose argument when you havent read the previous posts...

and if you have read the previous posts, then go back and make sure that you understand that we are old enough here to know the obvious penis vs. vagina argument...

i am not 5 yrs old and niether are you, so logically speaking we both know the physical/biological differences of the human body... that is not the same thing as the CULTURAL gender role played by individuals in parenting...

in essence, a gender is not the same as sex... look it up, i know its hard to grasp but its TURE... gender is a given identity after you are born BY your culture and society, while sex is determind by the biological enzyms and all that crap... you can be born a male, but LOVE to cook and clean, and never be let to do this because you are told that your gender is |MALE| and that is IT! we dont do that... we dont cry we dont get emotional, we are MEN, take it like a man... boys dont cry...

this my dear is all learned, not somehow a physical attribute, because if it was you would not produce TEARS, but you do... SO THERE that is simple enough for my little brother who is 10 to understand, can you???

anywho, i know that we all have the best intentions when posting, and i truly feel that i also have the best intention... i want to informative and inuitive... so please dont think i am attacking, i am just being a loud woman... and that is a good thing since there arent enough loud women out there...

thanks for you time, have a sexy day...

Come again? Sorry, it seems that my 5-year-old brain has trouble understanding you super intelligent people. After all, I do go to school on an abandoned farm. Maybe your ten-year-old bro could explain it in a way that would make some sense to me.

Since I refuse to argue with closed-minded and rather hard headed people, because my intention in life is not to get people to see things the way that I do, I will only take some time to say that it is because of people like you that feminism has such a negative connotation.

And yes, I will have a very sexy day. Everyone is welcome to join.

Btw, ixnay on the condescending attitude. Thanks.

[nunechka]

ALRIGHTY!

wow we have some really sexist people here... thats great, i will enjoy enlightening you... bringing you to the 21st century...

welcome my sweet armenian boys... this is the 21st century...

we here in this century, dont force people to do things they dont want to do, we also believe that people are socially constructed, and ideoligy, religion, culture are all social conditions created by people for people... we here in the 21st century believe that a man and a woman should work the same and get paid the same... they should take off time to look after their kids the same.... they should have 50% of the household duties...

i am not giving a bad name to feminism, i am a feminist, and i am always going to be a feminist, and ladies and gentlemen, the WORD feminism, means equality between genders... boy am i glad you brought up that word... HA!

WOW! what a concept, i said that sex roles are different from gender roles... thats right, i am certainly not a marxist for saying that... i am if anything else... a Margret Mead-est- if that is possible, she was one of the leaders in the feminist movement and she was the one who studied cultures, and concluded that culture shapes gender roles...

the best example of this is Armenians vs. Russians

Armenian men - work all day long, dont do any household chors, do not raise childern, and are emotionally cold, they do not cook do not clean, do not sit there and help with hmwk, etc...
Armenian women - they are the cooks, the cleaners, the working mothers, the drivers to every event, they are the main emotional, cultural, and tradition TEACHERS of our culture... MAYRENI LEZU, MAYR HAYASTAN,

Russian men - most of them work but they stay home to take care of their kids a lot more then the women, they buy the groceries, cook, clean, and help with the hmwk, etc... etc... etc...
Russian women - they are the construction workers they are BIG RIG drivers, they are in the military, they hold high office level positions, and they drink vodka, like CRAZY! and the men are the ones who drive home sober with the drunk siginificant other (the woman) and the women are the ones who are actaully beating their husbands...

now the russian woman is born with the EXACT same biological characteristics as the Armenian women, but we are like flowers, and they are like TREES and we are too fragile, and they are TOUGH... etc... etc... etc...

this is called gender roles vs. sex roles...

once again, feminism definition by the people who invented it... is ... drum roll, EQUALITY BETWEEN GENDERS... TA DAAAAAA...

read up, i will post the book recomendation thread, and i will recomend the book on this issue...

i appreciate your comments and i dont think you are bad people, but i also dont think that i am a bad person... i dont know everything, or will i ever, but i try my best to read up on issues and be informed and thats all folks...

dont talk about my little brother, or i will find out where you live and beat you to a bloody pulp... now i am not physically capable of this, because i am little, and i dont weigh much... but i will challenge you to a verbal agrument... but please dont ever ever ever EVER mention nunechkas little brother...

he is smart and he is well rounded... he does not see me in a lesser light because i am woman, he brings me water and i bring him water, and he is very clever for his age...