The Ottomans

[Hellektor]

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Turks were always in Central Asia! Our known history started with Great Asian Hun Empire ( Not European Huns ) Empire lasted BC 220 And 56...
And This the map http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi.../2e/Hunlar.PNG

Turks spread throughout Central Asia AFTER the sixth century AD. You believe what you want to believe. You believe the Cacaturk bullshit history according to which all languages originated from Turkish and Sumerians, Assyrians, Akkadians, Babylonians, Arameans, Manni, Mittani, Arrata, Urartu, Hurrians, Hittites, Elamite, Medians, Achaemenids, Parthians, Scythians, Aluanians, Egyptians, Etruscans, Lydians, Thracians, Phrygians, Greeks and what not are in fact Turks as naturally as genetic “research” in Turkey “prove” beyond question that Kurds, Eskimos, Native Americans, Incas, Aztecs, Mayas, Martians, Saturnans, Jupiterians, Venusians, pre-Big Bangians, Residents of the Black Hole and heaven knows what, are all Turks as well.

Reread my Turanian Fallacy and also go read some valid historians on Turks like Chavannes, Gumilev, Markwart, Bartold, Minorsky, etc.

Horosan is Turkish ancient city and Today it is in Turkmenistan's lands not Iran.It is destroyed by Mongols Today there is no Horasan.

There's no cure for brainwash, what can I do? I was born in Iran, I grew up in Iran and I know that Khorasan is the northeastern province of Iran (where Ferdowsi also hails from) since the beginning of history. Part of it (Bactria/Balkh) was lost to Afghanistan in the 18th century AD, when the latter separated from the motherland Persia as a result of not wanting to become Shiites.

[dani87]

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Talaat Pasha was a Bosnak (a Balkan Moslem).

Taalat was a Pomak, Bulgarian muslim. There is no thing such as a pure turk, A huge majority of the Turks of Turkey have Armenian, Slavic, Bulgarian and Greek blood running in their veins. The amount of Turkic blood are minimal. It's a sad irony especially for the forefathers of these so called "turks" who from their cursed graves can see their offspring wreaking havoc on their own people.

[Kanki]

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you are mistaken. Because he said 1 million Armenians were massacred, doesn't mean he sold his country. In the end it's better to look at everything that happened openly. Armenians might have killed Turks and Kurds in revenge when Russian forces took Van and Bitlis in 1916. Anoush and others, Zionists only became known in 1890s. Aristakes of Lastivert was writing in the 11th century. It is better to examine where Armenians failed and what they did wrong (and still do wrong -- for another thread) instead of looking for faults with Byzantines, Ottomans, Venetians, Genoese,the Pope and then the French, British, Germans,Zionists etc. What did Armenians do in the 15th century? the 16th? the 17th?Talaat Pasha was a Bosnak (a Balkan Moslem). Mustafa Kemal's origins are unclear. If he had Joowish origins, he was active as a Turkish nationalist. If someone of Joowish origin had fought for Armenian homeland from Erzerum to Shushi would Armenians be upset?

So all crime is belong to Talaat Pasha. . . I hate Ottoman Empire, So don't tell me their stupid mistakes, I don't like its any sultans . . I am not j-e-wish and Turkish people are not j-e-w-ish . . . and all the Turkish nationalists are not J-e-wish.

If your commander give you a command, you have to do it- Ottoman Turks had did this command. . . (I hate Je-ws)

[lampron]

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To Hellektor I would also say that while the Ottomans were cruel, the Byzantines could sometimes be almost as cruel according to Armenian historians. It seems it was a matter of degree. One of the differences was that the ottomans had far more discipline (because of religion maybe?). When a sultan rose to the ottoman throne, he would immediately order all of his brothers and half brothers (of whom there might be several dozens, from different concubines) killed.

Nearer our times, Mustafa Kemal's biographer Lord Kinross (who generally writes sympathetically about the Turkish dictator), says that especially in the early years of his rule, Kemal would hang is rivals 'from the nearest tree'. Ottomans/Turks were ruthless to each other, not just to conquered peoples

[lampron]

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Orhan Pamuk sold his country in order to Nobel. uncharacterless

you are mistaken. Because he said 1 million Armenians were massacred, doesn't mean he sold his country. In the end it's better to look at everything that happened openly. Armenians might have killed Turks and Kurds in revenge when Russian forces took Van and Bitlis in 1916. Anoush and others, Zionists only became known in 1890s. Aristakes of Lastivert was writing in the 11th century. It is better to examine where Armenians failed and what they did wrong (and still do wrong -- for another thread) instead of looking for faults with Byzantines, Ottomans, Venetians, Genoese,the Pope and then the French, British, Germans,Zionists etc. What did Armenians do in the 15th century? the 16th? the 17th?Talaat Pasha was a Bosnak (a Balkan Moslem). Mustafa Kemal's origins are unclear. If he had Joowish origins, he was active as a Turkish nationalist. If someone of Joowish origin had fought for Armenian homeland from Erzerum to Shushi would Armenians be upset?

[robertik1]

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Why bother arguing with these turds? The moderator should ban them NOW.

[Anoush]

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Armenians are not %100 innocent, your dashnak killed many innocent Turks, Why do you deny this ??? This is also a massacre. Also Hrant Dink had accepted

Tashnagtsagan Fedayis were merely the source of your Abdul Hamid's mass murders of 300 thousand Armenians from 1895 through 1896. Despite the fact that the Armenians were the bread and butter of turkey, despite that, they were constanlty living in sheer fear. Their pretty girls every so often were taken away, being impregnated and or killed. The turks would steal our little boys and run away with them. Shall I go on and on? I could. That's where Henchagtsoutyun and then Tashnagtsoutyun were spewn and came into being; because of the high taxation from the turkish government and the mass and the constant killings and barbaric murders. But alas, Tashnagtsoutyun were too late to arm the whole nation before your murderous attaturk dogs came about and committed systematic Genocide to exterminate a whole nation. And unfortunately they did a good job at it, those bastards. Like Talaat the dog said it afterwards; "It will take Armenians 50 years to be able to raise their heads and ask and demand their rights". That Talaat DOG knew very well what the great damage he did to a whole nation; to us, and he said it too. Bastard son of a dog that Talaat kaka, he knew only too well.

[Kanki]

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You say that because that's how your denialist government brainwashed you to know and believe; but what you say is not true. Not only Orhan Pamuk is not uncharacterless; but he has better moral values and true character than a great many people in your turkish country.

Armenians are not %100 innocent, your dashnak killed many innocent Turks, Why do you deny this ??? This is also a massacre. Also Hrant Dink had accepted

[Anoush]

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Orhan Pamuk sold his country in order to Nobel. uncharacterless

You say that because that's how your denialist government brainwashed you to know and believe; but what you say is not true. Not only Orhan Pamuk is not uncharacterless; but he has better moral values and true character than a great many people in your turkish country.

[Kanki]

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I know it's very little percentage; but I am not expecting it any better. What it is, it is. But even your nationality have the right to know and respect the truth.

Orhan Pamuk sold his country in order to Nobel. uncharacterless