Forum Rules (Everyone Must Read!!!)

1] What you CAN NOT post.

You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this forum to post any material which is:
- abusive
- vulgar
- hateful
- harassing
- personal attacks
- obscene

You also may not:
- post images that are too large (max is 500*500px)
- post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or cited properly.
- post in UPPER CASE, which is considered yelling
- post messages which insult the Armenians, Armenian culture, traditions, etc
- post racist or other intentionally insensitive material that insults or attacks another culture (including Turks)

The Ankap thread is excluded from the strict rules because that place is more relaxed and you can vent and engage in light insults and humor. Notice it's not a blank ticket, but just a place to vent. If you go into the Ankap thread, you enter at your own risk of being clowned on.
What you PROBABLY SHOULD NOT post...
Do not post information that you will regret putting out in public. This site comes up on Google, is cached, and all of that, so be aware of that as you post. Do not ask the staff to go through and delete things that you regret making available on the web for all to see because we will not do it. Think before you post!

2] Use descriptive subject lines & research your post. This means use the SEARCH.

This reduces the chances of double-posting and it also makes it easier for people to see what they do/don't want to read. Using the search function will identify existing threads on the topic so we do not have multiple threads on the same topic.

3] Keep the focus.

Each forum has a focus on a certain topic. Questions outside the scope of a certain forum will either be moved to the appropriate forum, closed, or simply be deleted. Please post your topic in the most appropriate forum. Users that keep doing this will be warned, then banned.

4] Behave as you would in a public location.

This forum is no different than a public place. Behave yourself and act like a decent human being (i.e. be respectful). If you're unable to do so, you're not welcome here and will be made to leave.

5] Respect the authority of moderators/admins.

Public discussions of moderator/admin actions are not allowed on the forum. It is also prohibited to protest moderator actions in titles, avatars, and signatures. If you don't like something that a moderator did, PM or email the moderator and try your best to resolve the problem or difference in private.

6] Promotion of sites or products is not permitted.

Advertisements are not allowed in this venue. No blatant advertising or solicitations of or for business is prohibited.
This includes, but not limited to, personal resumes and links to products or
services with which the poster is affiliated, whether or not a fee is charged
for the product or service. Spamming, in which a user posts the same message repeatedly, is also prohibited.

7] We retain the right to remove any posts and/or Members for any reason, without prior notice.


Members are welcome to read posts and though we encourage your active participation in the forum, it is not required. If you do participate by posting, however, we expect that on the whole you contribute something to the forum. This means that the bulk of your posts should not be in "fun" threads (e.g. Ankap, Keep & Kill, This or That, etc.). Further, while occasionally it is appropriate to simply voice your agreement or approval, not all of your posts should be of this variety: "LOL Member213!" "I agree."
If it is evident that a member is simply posting for the sake of posting, they will be removed.

8] These Rules & Guidelines may be amended at any time. (last update September 17, 2009)

If you believe an individual is repeatedly breaking the rules, please report to admin/moderator.
See more
See less

Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

    Originally posted by haydavid View Post
    But even with 1/10 with its money , Azeris will still have more than Armenia has .
    Are they ready to loose 9/10 th of their oil wealth? As far as I know more they have it the more they can loose. One big effect of any war is the cost. Looking at any oiled country's politics it is evident that their main objective is to protect it.
    Our military's shows are intended to make them think about what's at stake.
    Compared to iran-iraq war or US iraq wars the oil platforms to be burned are not operated by azeris. Will the foreign companies come back to rigs that have been damaged and can be damaged again, if azeris show that they are stupid enough to put them at stake for occupying Artsakh at any time?
    Saddam put his oil rigs at risk for land grab from Iran, look what happened. Later, he could never repair the war damage to oil industry and pay the cost.
    If we bomb azeri rigs and pipeline, allready slumping industry may never return to normalsy. True, it may draw turkey into conflict, but turks should know that there is no gain after our military has done the damage. Their actions will free bear's hands only.
    To make myself clear.
    The whole azeri buildup so far was to guarantee them that they can liberate Artsakh. But Armenia's military buildup shows them that there is going to be a biiger issue at stake, that, they can never guarantee against. The cost to their livelyhood, oil. Without that wealth the very existance of today's azerbaijan will be at stake.


    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

      NKR Defense Army reservists in exercises. April 2012


      • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

        Originally posted by HyeFighter2 View Post
        i believe that levon sold 50% of that vehicles, he also jhud akhtoti mege

        who did Levon sold it to?

        Where did this story come about, do you mean the tanks?

        Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
        Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
        Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests


        • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

          Originally posted by HyeFighter2 View Post
          very good article, thx, would be nice if russia would arm Armenia as west did with georgia (modern arms) than we will take oil
          You're welcome. In 2009 azerbaijani news outlets went crazy reporting that they had "discovered" that Russia had granted Armenia an additional 800 million dollars worth of arms. They claimed to have lists which they published of what types of weapons Armenia received for free. It made sense at the time because that was when azerbaijan had reached its goal of "azerbaijan's military budget equaling Armenia's entire state budget", and Russia has no interest in seeing the azeris gain an advantage over Armenia.

          Here are a few links I found:

 (this one has pictures of the supposed list, it may be fake though)

          Originally posted by Federate View Post
          From the article Sarkis linked:

          "Lev Rokhlin, the chairman of the Defense Committee of the Duma, the lower
          House of the Russian parliament, told a closed Duma session April 2 that
          Moscow had -shipped $1 billion worth of weapons to the tough, nationalist
          government of President Levon Ter-Petrosian
          in Yerevan. His report was
          similar to Mr. Tuleyev's acknowledgment."

          LOL Federate, good catch. I had read this article before, but I forgot about that specific line. The article is from the Washington Times, they are notoriously pro-azerbaijani and anti-Armenian. In their oil-starved eyes, any Armenian who doesn't literally bend over for the azeris is pretty much a hardline nationalist thug obstructing the healthy flow of oil. Even ter-petrosyan.

          Check out this outright garbage from 2005. I remember I was so angry after reading that crap that I drafted a letter to the times, and I forwarded a copy to Aram Suren Hamparian of the ANCA and Aram responded back.

          A ‘warehouse of evil’

          The Washington Times

          Monday, March 28, 2005

          The recent arrest of 18 people planning to smuggle Soviet-made grenade launchers, shoulder-fired missiles and other Russian military weapons into the United States is a disturbing national-security problem connecting unresolved conflicts in the former Soviet Union to our homeland security.

          According to various news reports, the participants in this dangerous scheme included both Georgians and Armenians, citizens of two former Soviet republics with continuous ethnic and territorial conflicts. Georgia is embroiled in a conflict to protect its territorial integrity from Russian-backed separatists in Abkhazia and Ossetia. Armenia, on the other hand, is engaged in a 15-year conflict with neighboring Azerbaijan over the territory of Nagorno-Karabagh.

          While continued ethnic conflict in the territory of Georgia should be of concern to Washington, the more important and worrisome connection is the involvement of Armenians and that country’s continued occupation of Azerbaijan. Left unchecked, the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan presents an immediate danger to America’s energy and homeland security.

          Soviet dictator Josef Stalin decided to play the ethnic card to consolidate power by pitting one group against the other and imposing artificial boundaries within the Soviet empire. The lingering war between Azerbaijan and Armenia over the territory of Nagorno-Karabagh is a tragic result of this ethnic gerrymandering. In 1988, the ArmeniansofNagorno-Karabagh declared their “independence” and unification with Armenia. With substantial support from Russia, Armenia started a full-fledged military campaign in 1991. The ensuing war led to the occupation of 20 percent of Azerbaijan’s territory by Armenia and forced about a million Azerbaijanis into the status of refugee or internally displaced person.

          Despite a Russian-brokered cease-fire in 1994, Moscow has transferred $1 billion in illegal arms to its historic ally, Armenia, between 1994 and 1997. And although the government of Armenia is cooperating with U.S. law-enforcement agencies, it now appears that some Armenians are turning their country into a “warehouse of evil” and are trying to sell these Soviet missiles and other armaments to Al Qaeda terrorists for use against the United States. The FBI has expressed serious concern over shoulder-fired missiles that pose a major security threat to American airlines.

          Ironically, Congress has singled out Armenia for special favor and Azerbaijan for special disfavor. Between 1992 and 2003, Armenia received $1.336 billion in assistance from the U.S. government. Azerbaijan, however, received only $335 million during this same period. Despite its unjust treatment by the U.S. Congress, Azerbaijan has remained a steadfast ally of the United States. When tragedy struck America on Sept. 11, 2001, Azerbaijan offered immediate and unconditional support.Today, its troops are working side-by-side with U.S. forces in Kosovo, Afghanistan and Iraq.

          Furthermore, Azerbaijan has stood beside the United States on a major foreign-policy priority of Washington — the uninterrupted exploration, development and transportation of Caspian Sea oil to international markets. The anchor of this policy has been the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (BTC) pipeline running from Baku, the capital of Azerbaijan, to the Turkish port of Ceyhan on the Mediterranean. On May 25, this historic pipeline will become operational. Crude oil from the Caspian Sea — home to 10 percent of the world’s remaining crude-oil reserves — will be on its way to the East Coast of the United States.

          Clearly, the resolution of this conflict must be of utmost importance to President Bush, because it does indeed affect our national security. According to the State Department’s 2005 fact sheet, the United States does not recognize Nagorno-Karabagh as an independent country. Washington supports the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan.

          With this in mind, the Bush administration should take a more robust approach to a swift resolution of the Nagorno-Karabagh conflict in a fair and balanced manner. The presidents of both Azerbaijan and Armenia have expressed strong support for a peaceful resolution of their conflict and Washington should seize on this goodwill.

          A summit at the White House hosted by President Bush could serve as a catalyst to end this festering regional conflict with its direct threat to American security. There is international consensus on the broad outlines of a solution. Armenians must withdraw from all occupied territories. Azerbaijan should regain full sovereignty over Nagorno-Karabagh.

          The rights of Armenians to live in peace within the territory of Nagorno-Karabagh must be secured and guaranteed, as must the right of Azerbaijanis to return to their ancient homeland if they so desire. The introduction of NATO peacekeepers into the conflict zone would be a first step towards a permanent solution, thus keeping the region from manipulation by criminal elements whose goal is to harm America.

          When Afghanistan became a “warehouse of evil” for criminals like Osama bin Laden, Americans paid a heavy price on September 11. We cannot afford another region of the world to fall prey to criminal elements. The United States must act now before it is too late.

          S. Rob Sobhani is president of Caspian Energy Consulting and a member of the Committee on the Present Danger.

          BTW I just finished reading the The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations, I appreciate the interesting comments you made in that thread!
          Last edited by Sarkis86; 12-27-2012, 05:14 AM.
          Follow my comments on the blog


          • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

            NKR Defense Army reservists in exercises. April 2012


            • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

              Sarkis86 wow your awesome at finding sites
              here is some news, azeris made new anti aircraft ''thing''
              with 2 strela-1 and 2 14.5 MM guns
              Armenian Military Portal


              • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                Video of new Azerbaboon weapons:

                Azerbaboon: 9.000 Google hits and counting!


                • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                  Karabakh Reports Sharp Drop In Combat Deaths

                  Lusine Musayelian
                  Հրապարակված է՝ 26.12.2012

                  The number of Armenian soldiers killed in skirmishes with Azerbaijani forces around Nagorno-Karabakh has drastically fallen this year despite increased ceasefire violations along the “line of contact,” a top military official in Stepanakert said on Wednesday.

                  Lieutenant-General Movses Hakobian, the commander of Karabakh’s Armenia-backed Defense Army, said only two of soldiers were shot dead by Azerbaijani snipers in the course of 2012, compared with 11 such cases reported in 2011.

                  “The measures which we have taken to ensure that our soldiers perform their service on the frontline safely have borne fruit,” Hakobian told a news conference. “Today soldiers can confidently carry out observations on all Defense Army positions and they face no dangers if they don’t violate safety rules.”

                  Nagorno-Karabakh -- On Karabakh frontline, Mataghis, 20Jul2012
                  ​​Hakobian added that “large-scale work to reinforce frontline positions” has also helped the Karabakh Armenian military substantially reduce the number of incursions by Azerbaijani commando units. “This year there were seven attempts by enemy sabotage groups to penetrate our positions but only one of them partly succeeded in inflicting damage on Defense Army servicemen,” he said. “In the six other cases, those groups were detected and pushed back to their starting positions after suffering casualties.”

                  Armenian military fortifications along Armenia’s border with Azerbaijan have also reportedly been beefed up this year. Defense Minister Seyran Ohanian personally inspected in August what his press office described as “exemplary defense structures and posts” constructed at various border sections.

                  The most volatile, western section of the Armenian-Azerbaijani frontier saw an upsurge in deadly fighting in June, which left more than a dozen Armenian and Azerbaijani soldiers dead. U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton expressed serious concern over those incidents when she visited the South Caucasus later in June.

                  The conflicting sides blame each other for more frequent truce violations reported from the border and “the line of contact” around Karabakh.

                  Azerbaboon: 9.000 Google hits and counting!


                  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                    NKR Defense Army reservists in exercises. April 2012


                    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                      Originally posted by Federate View Post
                      Video of new Azerbaboon weapons:

                      Sultan Aliev is more interested in driving the car and not much interested in its armament.

                      Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
                      Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
                      Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests