Iranian-Armenian relations

[Mos]

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then what....religion.

no religion, culture don't have to do anything with what I'm saying. Forget about those things.

Turkey has not cut ties with Israel.

Ties were cut over the flotilla incident, and even though there may be some diplomatic ties, now they are severely strained. Both the public of Turkey hate Israel, and same with the public of Israel. The Israeli lobby in US has stopped helping Turks, and both sides often criticise each other. Erdogan for example called Israel state sponsoring terrorism. Military ties have severely decreased as well. Many experts say that their ties will never be fully restored as they once were.

Turkey is a goldmine for Iran. Persian have no trouble taking Turkish Liar.

What are you trying to say?

Hell, a disputed Island in the Persian Gulf is more important to Iran than Armenia if we go with your logic.

If Iran can gain more from that dispute island than from Armenia, yes to Iran the island will be more important than Armenia. It's very simple logic, that people like you fail to grasp because you think countries have good relations with other countries because they "like" them or feel sorry for them - that is truly laughable. You will do whatever benefits your own country - end of story.

[Armanen]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

That's not what I was referring to.





Did I say our relations with Iran are a disadvantage? No I was merely talking about the intentions of such relations. So don't infer incorrect things from what I said. All I'm saying is that it's silly to think that a country's stance towards another is based on some sort of "feelings" or sympathy. Again it's based purely on self interest. Iran would not even look at us if they didn't have something to gain from being good with us.

It is fact that Turkish-Iranian relations are growing, especially since Turkey cut ties with Israel.

Some articles about Turkish-Iranian relations:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/165375.html

http://www.irantracker.org/foreign-relations/turkey-iran-foreign-relations

http://www.iranreview.org/content/view/6488/40/

For Iran, Turkey is much more valuable than Armenia, so it's only natural they will seek close ties with Turkey, and even do it at the expense of ties with Armenia, if needed.

Overall I agree with you. In international affairs there are no friends only interests. I would add that turkey and Iran are geopolitical rivals, therefore they will never be too close to one another, same holds true for Russia and turkey. Iran, Russia, and Armenia are all aware of turkey's neo ottoman foreign policy and all three are against it, since it (rightly) reminds them of pan turanism which they all fought against to varying degrees.

On a side note, while interest and geopolitics take the top spot for political relations, culture and history play a role too and shouldn't be ignored.

[Eddo211]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

no religion, culture don't have to do anything with what I'm saying. Forget about those things.

OK, thats funny.

Ties were cut over the flotilla incident, and even though there may be some diplomatic ties, now they are severely strained. Both the public of Turkey hate Israel, and same with the public of Israel. The Israeli lobby in US has stopped helping Turks, and both sides often criticise each other. Erdogan for example called Israel state sponsoring terrorism. Military ties have severely decreased as well. Many experts say that their ties will never be fully restored as they once were.

Majority of Turks never liked Israelis other than the hardcore Kemalists. It is the same for Israelis, they support a Kemalist Turkey but now they no longer travel to Turkey for vacation due to latest political theatrics and drama. So far the only defence project that is worth anything that has been canceled is the further upgrades on Turkish F-4 phantoms (which was a waist of money and it wasn’t going to go through anyway since the airframe is obsolete for today’s generation fighters). Other than that Israelis defence co are still operating out of Turkey and new contracts are being signed.

If Iran can gain more from that dispute island than from Armenia, yes to Iran the island will be more important than Armenia. It's very simple logic, that people like you fail to grasp because you think countries have good relations with other countries because they "like" them or feel sorry for them - that is truly laughable. You will do whatever benefits your own country - end of story.

This is the second time you say sympathy and feel sorry. What makes you think that this is why Iran invests in Armenia with no real payoff.........do you think nations should feel sorry for Armenia? The problem you are having is that you see things in black and white and you think you have figured international relations out but what you don’t realize is that geopolitics and national interests is only one side of the coin.

[Eddo211]

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Iranian specialists: “Azerbaijan was created on 1918″

5 March, 2011, 8:02 pm

Azerbaijan tries to split Iranian society by rumoring separatist ideas in that country, Mashreghnews.ir reports.
Baku University lecturer Fikret Sadykhov called Northern Iran as “South Azerbaijan”, and offered to found a TV channel on Turkic.

Sadikhov tried to make a psychological affection on the Turkic population in Iran, which aims to spread the separatist mood among them.

At the same time, the scientist offered to pay much attention on the youth, who had anti-Azerbaijani attitude.

In their turn, Iranian specialists refer to the history of Azerbaijani foundation, noting Azerbaijan was created only on 1918, and got its name from the North Iranian province Adurbadagan.

/Times.am/

http://times.am/2011/03/05/iranian-specialists-azerbaijan-was-created-on-1918/

[Mos]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

OK, thats funny.

Self interest is based on economic and geopolitical motives.

Majority of Turks never liked Israelis other than the hardcore Kemalists. It is the same for Israelis, they support a Kemalist Turkey but now they no longer travel to Turkey for vacation due to latest political theatrics and drama. So far the only defence project that is worth anything that has been canceled is the further upgrades on Turkish F-4 phantoms (which was a waist of money and it wasn’t going to go through anyway since the airframe is obsolete for today’s generation fighters). Other than that Israelis defence co are still operating out of Turkey and new contracts are being signed.

Military cooperation has been severely reduced, as has economic. Plus, the rhetoric against each other is very tense at a governmental level, I mean you have the PM of Turkey calling Israel a sponsor of terrorism - those are not soft words. You also have Turkey adding Israel to its national security document of external threats.

This is the second time you say sympathy and feel sorry. What makes you think that this is why Iran invests in Armenia with no real payoff.........do you think nations should feel sorry for Armenia? The problem you are having is that you see things in black and white and you think you have figured international relations out but what you don’t realize is that geopolitics and national interests is only one side of the coin.

Yes Economics and geopolitics drive the foreign policy of countries. What else drives foreign policy like that? Tell me.... US is a perfect example, they say they support democracy and try to be idealistic, but support those brutal dictatorships that are helpful to them (e.g. Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, etc). Tell me besides it being in their self interest (and ours), why does Iran have good relations with us?

[Eddo211]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Your first statement is wrong. Each country is different. don't be so narrow minded.

As far as your question, you need to look beyond that tunnel vision two dimensional academia noodles brain of yours to find the answer....I don't have the patience nor the desire to answer you with your freaking attitude,

you support Israel over Iran, I know.

[Mos]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Your first statement is wrong. Each country is different. don't be so narrow minded.

As far as your question, you need to look beyond that tunnel vision two dimensional academia noodles brain of yours to find the answer....I don't have the patience nor the desire to answer you with your freaking attitude,

you support Israel over Iran, I know.

If you are going to reject the fact that countries conduct foreign policy based on their self-interest, than at least come up with a counter-example (don't cover it with you having no patience, that's pathetic), or else your rejection is good as nothing. Yes every country is different, but every country looks out for its own interests, and will do what it takes to make itself stronger. You are deeply misinformed if you believe Iran's relation with Armenia is based on some sort of special "brotherhood". No, strategically and geopolitical right now, that's the best move so Iran pursues such relations.

Where the hell did I mention Israel or Iran here? Stop trying to bring irrelevant information into this conversation, I never mentioned the Iranian-Israel conflict. What I have to say has nothing to do with that. And no, I don't support Israel over Iran - I support Iran because it is much better for Armenia. If Israel was better for Armenia, I would support Israel, but at this point they aren't.

I don't care about any other country besides Armenia. If a country is good to Armenia, than I support, if it isn't then f*ck that country. I don't care what country, what religion, culture etc. Iran is good to Armenia now, so bless them, it becomes bad to armenia, I will say f*ck them. Same with any other country.

[Mos]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

azeri-iranian relations

Azerbaijan secure neighbor and business partner of Iran, foreign minister says

March 07, 2011 | 18:29
Iran attaches importance to expansion of all-out relations with Azerbaijan as its secure neighbor and business partner, Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi said on Monday.

During the 8th Iran-Azerbaijan Joint Economic Commission meeting in Tehran the sides discussed bilateral relations and regional developments, IRNA news agency reports.

There are only a few countries such as Iran and Azerbaijan to be so close to each other in terms of religion and culture, IRNA quotes foreign minister.

He stressed presidents of both states are determined to further develop relations and cooperation.

According to him, the forthcoming visit of the Iranian president to Azerbaijan would be a turning point in bilateral relations and expedite expansion of economic cooperation between the two countries.

Minister Salehi also noted membership of regional and international organizations should not contradict the interests of both nations.

[Tigranakert]

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http://www.iranian.com/main/news/2010/12/20/iran-honors-first-female-astronomer-alenoush-terian

TEHRAN, Iran (PressTV)—More than 100 people gathered in Tehran to celebrate the 90th birthday of Iran’s first female astronomer and physics professor, Alenoush Terian.


Mother of Iranian astronomy Alenoush Terian blows out candles on her 90th birthday.

The Iranian-Armenian scientist was honored during a ceremony in the Iranian capital city on Nov. 9.

Members of the Iranian Parliament and more than 100 Armenians paid tribute to the Iranian scientist.

“She always said she had a daughter named sun and a son named moon,” said lawmaker Hassan Ghafourifard, Terian’s former student at Tehran University.

A statement from the Primate of Armenian Diocese of Tehran Archbishop Sebouh Sarkissian marking Terian’s birthday was also read out at the ceremony.

Born in an Armenian family in 1920 in Tehran, Terian graduated in physics from the University of Tehran in 1947. She began working in physics laboratories of the same university upon graduation and was elected as the chief of laboratory operations in the same year.

She continued her studies at the Sorbonne University in Paris, graduating with a degree in atmospheric physics in 1956. She returned to Iran to work as an assistant professor in thermodynamics at the University of Tehran.

[Persopolis]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Gevorg Vardan, A member of Iran's Parliament, representing the Armenian Community, speaks on Horizon TV about Iranian politics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVleZW7I680

(Interview in Armenian.)