Iranian-Armenian relations

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Please read what it says:





Originally Posted by Eddo211
Iranian Armenians only mixed with other Armenians (past, present, future).

Originally Posted by Eddo211
We have however mixed to a small degree with our Persian "Brothers" in the past....Persian girls steal Armenian hearts
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No I didn't *accuse* you of contradicting yourself - I proved it. Syllogistic logic is mathematical in nature: When one says "In the past, present, & future" Iranian-Armenians "only" mixed with Armenians as a means of denying that they mixed with Iranians, and then also says in separate comment "We have however mixed to a small degree with Persians" that is a logical contradiction: case closed. However, it's no big whoop - I'm not saying you're the devil, I am just pointing it out because people completely freaked-out over the fact that I pointed-out there was some mixing going on. I even showed contemporary pictures of mixed Iranian-Armenian families (see below) and there was a damn near riot here among some - while others were totally comfortable with it and recognized the obvious.

Secondly, my accouncement of the material (above) that I will post (if I ever get the chance) does not relate solely to Iranian-Armenians (the subject of the topic above); it relates to (a) the pre-Armenian people (loosely described as the "caveman days" of history); (b) the migration of these people; and (c) who among them eventually mixed with Iranians, when, why, and for how long. Not all of the pre-Armenian people did mix with Iranians (but a lot of those people are also deceased) - in fact, you will find out that there are significant differences in anthropological and genetic patterns.

But here is one thing everyone can take at face value: The dispute between the Arscacid-Armenians and Sasanians was a dispute among Iranian People -- both are Iranians and had a spat over feudal power. Later the Iranian-Ascacid-Armenians also mixed with Sasanian-Iranians after the Sasanians consolidated the empire. I.e., there were at least 2 layers of mixing going on among Iranian tribes. What does that mean in practical terms: If you are Armenian and someone at the supermarket mistakes you for being Iranian - it's probably not a mistake. Lastly, if you are Iranian-Armenian you have a lot to be proud about: In many ways this was the Golden-Era of Armenian prosperity and advancement in the world.

Here's a simple -- yet armchair (informal) -- method if you are curious about your genealogy; if you look like one of the people below, we're cousins: You can even compare the picture of the Iranian-Armenian woman below to the Muslim Iranian women in two prior posts.

That is not what you claimed, you claimed that Armenians were an Iranian people and that is not true. Like I've said in the past intermixing has been on a very limited scale and has for the most part stopped after Armenia turned Christian and gone down even more after Iran turned Muslim. Or are you going to claim that Muslims married Christians?

Your usage of the terms Armenian and Iranian are also very wrong, your are using it as we understand it today not the way the people back then understood the term.

It is also very funny that you keep changing your stance.

[Lernakan]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Let me help you out - in 2005 Miro Begijanian decided to use the same types of comments that you encourage other Armenians to use on this site and an Iranian instantly beat him to death.

I'm glad the moderators decided to ban this sick b@st@rd. His statement above should be enough to ban him permanently.

I guess none of you know about the death of Miro so let me explain. This psychopath makes it sound like Miro did something wrong and some "tough" iranian guy beat him to death for that. This is all bullxxxx.

Miro was visiting the yearly Easter bazaar that is held in Ararat club (the biggest Armenian club in Iran) with his girlfriend. When he left the club with his girlfriend to get something to eat, a car with 4! iranians drove next to them and they started yelling insults to his girlfriend. Miro who had to do something to keep his pride (like any man would do) said some things back and kicked at the car. After this the four guys got out and started to inhumanely beat him. They beat him so severely that his ribs get broken and one rib struck his heart which caused internal bleedings. When people found him his body was drenched in blood and his neck was broken.
Miro was 15 years old at the time this happened!

The police caught these guys and one of them was punished by hanging and the other three got life in prison. I hope for the three that they never get out of prison because I know Miro's family are waiting for that day so they can get their revenge.

In my opinion, Persepolis the psychopath who takes pride in this and boasts about it should receive the same punishment as the guys who did it.

I hope that you moderators have decided to ban him permanently.
It would be the same if an azeri came here and boasted about the deeds of Ramil Safarov (which you all know) and got away with it.

[Artsakh]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

The pyschopath has too much time on his hands...now he's custom making t-shirts online through the multiple services that do that (SHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! HE THINKS HE'S THE ONLY ONE WHO KNOWS ABOUT IT)....LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.............this pyscho needs some professional help and FASTTTT

[Artsakh]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

I'm glad the moderators decided to ban this sick b@st@rd. His statement above should be enough to ban him permanently.

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Thank you moderators, we all appreciate your hearing us out on this one. When we come to an Armenian forum, we want to have an enjoyable experience. Nuisances like the self-proclaimed "saviour" have no place here, they can take their hate speech to Turkish sites where they'd be welcome with wide-open arms. Thank you!

[Artsakh]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Miro was 15 years old at the time this happened!
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You cannot be surprised. They are a culture and people that cheer on the stoning of women, what do you expect from such types?

[Eddo211]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

You guys are letting an Azeri or a Turkish Irani give you the perception of who Persians are.

You guys should also be aware that with the growing relations between Armenia/Iran our enemies are going out of their way to spoil that relationship.

Most Iranis (especially Persians) will not come to an Armenian site and spread misinformation the way you have witnessed here; they are courteous and hospitable people and have no hostility towards Armenians whatsoever. Crimes like the one mentioned above can happen in any country and has nothing to do with Iranian culture or ways of life. There are nut jobs in every country, kids getting out of hand in every culture, misguided brainwashed numbnuts in every corner of the globe.

Most Iranis consider Armenians their brothers (beyond good friends), and so do many Armenians, not only Persian Armenians. We are culturally close and we relate to each other when we talk about word affairs. We hold many similar values and beliefs in regards to family and friends.

Iranians are in big trouble right now and we Armenians should help them as much as we can, when we can. Our government is already doing their part while trying not to get in trouble with the West.

[Tigranakert]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

You guys are letting an Azeri or a Turkish Irani give you the perception of who Persians are.

You guys should also be aware that with the growing relations between Armenia/Iran our enemies are going out of their way to spoil that relationship.

Most Iranis (especially Persians) will not come to an Armenian site and spread misinformation the way you have witnessed here; they are courteous and hospitable people and have no hostility towards Armenians whatsoever. Crimes like the one mentioned above can happen in any country and has nothing to do with Iranian culture or ways of life. There are nut jobs in every country, kids getting out of hand in every culture, misguided brainwashed numbnuts in every corner of the globe.

Most Iranis consider Armenians their brothers (beyond good friends), and so do many Armenians, not only Persian Armenians. We are culturally close and we relate to each other when we talk about word affairs. We hold many similar values and beliefs in regards to family and friends.

Iranians are in big trouble right now and we Armenians should help them as much as we can, when we can. Our government is already doing their part while trying not to get in trouble with the West.

Indeed, and that's why people like Persepolis do not deserve a place on this forum, flooding it with anti-Armenian propaganda and lies.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Most Iranis (especially Persians) .... they are courteous and hospitable people and have no hostility towards Armenians whatsoever.

They might well arrive that way, but (after what they experience when here, and if they have the same inflated sense of collective Iranian superiority and thin skin that Persepolis had) they will probably leave like Persepolis.

[Eddo211]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

They might well arrive that way, but (after what they experience when here, and if they have the same inflated sense of collective Iranian superiority and thin skin that Persepolis had) they will probably leave like Persepolis.

He didn't leave Jingles....he got booted out. I don't think he was planning on leaving anytime soon since his technic was working very well in creating tension between Iranians and Armenians.

[Artsakh]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Dispute of Facts: Iran is concerned over internal provocative statements

On May 14 the Iranian Embassy in Armenia released a statement saying that the official stand of the Islamic Republic of Iran on all foreign policy issues is expressed by the president, the foreign minister, and the spokesman of the foreign ministry. Any other viewpoint is to be considered personal opinion.


What’s behind this statement?

The past three weeks have been marked by considerable complication of the domestic political life in Iran, the most apparent reflection of which was the conflict between the president Mahmud Ahmadeinejad and the country’s religious leader Ali Khamenei. It is a highly rare, but symptomatic, conflict in the modern history of Iran.

Along the way of development the conflict acquired new shapes and stepped into the area of the Karabakh issue. On May 9 imam Seyyid Hasan Ameli stated in Ardebil that Iran aided Azerbaijan during the Karabakh war.

The openly provocative essence of this statement can hardly be doubted even if for its timing only – the statement was made at a time of split among the Iranian elite.

It is beyond doubt that were it not for Iran’s balanced policy in the region the Armenian statehood would have had to face incomparably more severe problems.

Iran categorically opposed Azerbaijan’s and Turkey’s efforts to declare jihad to Armenians for the whole of Muslim world and give religious coloring to the Karabakh war. It was in that most complicated period of the Armenian history that the 42-km section of the shared border became Armenia’s only stable exit to the outer world. The 400-km highway connecting blockaded Yerevan with Iran was called “the Road of Life”.

The construction of a bridge on the border river Arax played a huge role in securing a stable exit to the world for otherwise isolated Armenia. The construction was launched in 1994 – in the final stage of the Karabakh war.

The first Iran-Armenia electricity transmission line, put into operation in 1995, was of no small account either. It helped the Armenian energy system to overcome the state of paralysis and full isolation. It should be stressed that the line had been built before the launch of the second energy block of Nuclear Power Plant in Metsamor (shut down in February-March 1989, after the Spitak earthquake) in November of the same year.

Many such examples can be brought testifying to the fact that Teheran led a balanced policy in the period of the Karabakh war, and it surely was not supporting Azerbaijan.

Nonetheless, speaking on May 9 Seyyid Hasan Ameli declared the opposite.

“We had to either interfere in the war against the Armenian aggression which would mean opening the second front in Iran and which would eventually turn into a war with Russia, or turn a blind eye to Armenian executioners killing our Muslim brothers and lose our Islamic character,” stated the representative of Iran’s religious leader.

It was in this connection that the Iranian Embassy in Yerevan released its statement.

“… Iran’s foreign policy on all the regional conflicts supports mediation efforts to invite the sides to start dialogue, settle the conflicts and establish peace and stability in the region, and the steps taken toward the settlements of internal conflicts in Tajikistan, Afghanistan and Iraq are evidence to this. Iran believes that the settlement of the conflict between the Republic of Armenia and the Republic of Azerbaijan must be based on dialogue, non-use of force and self-determination to establish lasting peace. And since the Islamic Republic of Iran is the only country bordering on the conflict area, it is concerned by any effort to cause tensions in this region and will not allow these provocations to lead to the presence of foreign forces in the region,” reads the statement.

Nagorno Karabakh in this statement is not mentioned as the conflict entity, but as a subject of a bilateral dispute, nonetheless it is important that the conflict settlement is viewed from the perspective of nations’ right to self-determination, and that nothing is said about the territorial integrity of states.

http://www.armenianow.com/news/29700/iran_armenia_karabakh_war