Turkey's challenge to the Armenians

[Hovik]

"Turkish / Kurdish Culture"

First,
There is no fair war in the world. As a nation in the ottoman times, you rebelled for your freedom, allying with Russia which carried you to declaring your own state.

No fair war, ok. Perhaps you are close to the truth. War is ugly. Victims of war are usually the most overlooked... However, your war was with Russians, and others but not Armenians. You took advantage of the cover of WWI and attempted to systematically eliminate the Armenian people. This goes beyond fair or not fair, this is condemned by the rest of the world as Genocide. In a war, soldiers fight soldiers. In the Armenian Genocide Soldiers and released barbarians from Turkish prisons slaughtered and maimed innocent civilians as their targets, it started with the men, and the intellectuals, and worked its way down to the women, elderly and children. SYSTEMATICALLY... That was NOT a WAR. And not until after this horror began did you have Armenians taking up arms in any significant numbers.

Check a history book... Armenians were known as, and treated as dogs, infidels in the late 19th century. An Armenian on a donkey or horse passing by a walking Turk, was forced by law to dismount from his/her animal and walk the horse past the Turk (obviously Turks were not subject to the same law). Does this say anything to you? Only after we were massacred and our 'freedoms' were totally lost did we DEFEND ourselves. Furthermore, Armenians in constantinople and other western cities could not have possibly helped the few Armenians on the Russian front, yet they were massacred right? How do you explain this? Why have eyewitnesses expressed horror at babies and women who were slaughtered? What do they have to do with a few volunteer Armenian defense units after we no longer could be led to your slaughter. What about the draft of Armenian men and boys into the ottoman army only to be immediately stripped of arms, organized into labor battalions and then forced to dig their own graves before being shot and buried? How was this fair? So Armenians were wrong because instead of the men being massacred in your army, they chose to pick up a knife or pitchfork (whichever was not taken away by Turks with their racist minority arms laws)... right? We are the WRONG ones right? And you...YOU didn't do anything but massacre a few. WRONG! It was an organized calculated attempt to destroy the Armenian nation and/or remove them from their historic homeland so that the OTTOMAN YOUNG TURKS could create the very pan-turkish dream you mentioned above.

Then Russia left the fronts, you were left alone with present Turkey which naturally considered Armenians traitors, masaccred and killed you in the end.

Yeah naturally my 7 year old uncle was a traitor because he hid in the chimney of a friendly turkish house, and for that he deserved to have his hands cut off and bleed to death, right?

Or how about my Grandfathers nephew Varstadt who was a young school teacher at the college in Kharpert at the time of the Genocide. He was not a defender, revolutionary, or even involved with the Armenian movements seeking reform. The representatives of the the Young Turks 'Special Organization' welcomed themselves to his classroom and beheaded him in front of his students. Gee, isn't it strange that when Varastadt met his fate he was teaching class and not on the "Russian Front", isn't it? How do you explain that?

And while we are talking about the 'Special Organization', how do Turks weasel their way out of truthfully explaining the purpose and existance of this well documented organization?

Your resistance was broken easily, due to your insufficient weapons technology, ammunation supply and tremendous Turkish number superiority.

Our resistance to your torture and genocide was broken, but we survived and here we are... Only 2 reasons we had insufficient weapons "technology" (not that Turks knew a THING about weapons technology since their weapons were european in origin) are these: (1) Your racist law against minorities, specifically Armenians that they were not allowed to possess weapons - also evidence of the Turkish Genocide formula. (2) We were not at war with you, and unlike Turks we were peaceful people, had been for thousands of years before a Turk ever showed up on our land...

Second,
If you look at it at a greater scope, Anatolia, the land we sit and live on, is stolen.

Yes, and...?

So according to your understanding Turks should gather whatever they got and return to Middle Asia.That, to me sounds naive, we are not going back anywhere.

No, that is not my understanding. I don't believe Turks should gather whatever they got and return to Middle Asia. You have no idea what my understanding is... And for that matter, it's inconsequential what I think about the Turkish destiny. We are talking about the Armenian Genocide. I can't think of a single Armenian in the Ottoman Empire suggesting that Turks "gather whatever they got and return to Middle Asia", on the flip side, did Turks let Armenians "gather whatever they got" during the Genocide? In most cases NO. In the few cases where they were Turks had Kurds ready to attack caravans of Armenians carrying only their most valuable possessions (obviously the items people would take if only allowed to take what they could carry), so even then they didn't leave with ANYTHING in the end.

Again, I didn't give my opinion on what the destiny of Turks should be right? So, why does it sound naive? Who said it? Not me...

Third,
As to map of Kurdistan, like any nation Kurds have dreams too. .

A Kurdish State, or a Kurdistan have NEVER existed in the history of the world, correct?

An Armenian State DID exist, in fact many Armenian states existed when nobody in the region had ever heard of such a thing as a Turk...

The attempted destruction of the Armenian Nation by means of Genocide, so that Turkey could assume control of Armenian lands connnecting Turky to Turkish Azerbaijan, and on into Central Asia creating the Pan-Turkish fantasy your YOUNG TURKS were dreaming about WAS THEIR REALITY...

I could show you maps of Great Turkey, which begins from Agean Sea to the northeren borders of China, which includes all Turkic Republics, States on its way. İt sounds unrealistic or more likely fantastic. Just like great Kurdistan dreams. While even the most nationalist Kurdish party HADEP claims rest within one-flag, I have my doubts such a map is possible. .

Pan-Turkism is unrealistic? more likely fantastic? Go spraypaint that on your monuments to Talaat, Enver and Jamal... It was their idea which fuel hatred for Armenians and the eventual Genocide...

Fourth
As to Turkey being built upon stolen things,it is simply a childish comment. .

Now someone is fantasizing if you think anything different! What did you bring with you from Central Asia when you plopped down on the land of Armenians and others? 'Hatred for anyone but Turks' doesn't count...

You probably feel so angry,sorry about the land and people you lost, you are making insults which have no basis by any means.

Anger gets nobody anywhere... The only feeling I have towards you and people LIKE you, is quite simply - PITY...

Come to Istanbul and visit me, I will gladly be your guide and show you that Turkey is built upon Turkish and Kurdish people,culture .

I will come to Western Armenia, be sure of that. I will come to Turkey too, I have studied the Ottoman Empire, and will be very interested to travel Turkey while on my way to the Western Armenian homeland.

When showing me Turkish/Kurdish culture, what are you going to present? How about all the Armenian churches converted to Mosques! Maybe i'm stupid infidel and won't notice...

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Oh God (or whatever), The Same McFarty Crap AGAIN!!!

First,
There is no fair war in the world. As a nation in the ottoman times, you rebelled for your freedom, allying with Russia which carried you to declaring your own state. Then Russia left the fronts, you were left alone with present Turkey which naturally considered Armenians traitors, masaccred and killed you in the end. Your resistance was broken easily, due to your insufficient weapons technology, ammunation supply and tremendous Turkish number superiority.

I have never used the magic word addressing a Turk on this forum, so maybe it will be an attempt to seek dialog with you.
PLEASE read this first and don't bring this million-times regurgitated stinking puke here again. Its stench is unbearable.

Guys, I have prepared a rebuttal of the McFarty crap but I haven't posted it yet.
Anyone interested? It's a bit long and I have put hours into it, but I'm afraid no one will read it because of its length!

Here's a taster for elendil efendi:

According to the decision of the Bureau at the eighth General Assembly of Dashnaktsoutioun, the bodies were ordered not to rebel against the Ottoman "empire".

From Ruben's "Armenian-Turkish problem":

"...despite the slaughter of 25,000 Armenians in Cilicia, Dashnaktsoutioun decided to remain calm and tried to demand that the Constitution be put to practice... But the Turkish leaders were walking along a new path that was more delusional... In 1912 Turkey was embracing a new ideal... Pan-Turanism... to Turkify Turkey was the main reason that the non-Muslim and non-Turkish elements were being deported, persecuted and massacred in the country, and Turks were being settled in their places...

When, after having received facts and data from Germany and Bulgaria, they came to the conclusion that regardless of the position the Armenians took, the extermination of the Armenians, the intellectuals first, had already been planned all the same...
Dashnaktsoutioun (8th General Assembly) ordered its bodies to collaborate with the Turkish government and be with them even in the event of war (emphasis is mine H.). As a matured political organization, sensing the dire situation of the state, helped it, issuing orders to the provinces inviting the people to be loyal to Turkey (emphasis is mine H.) and as a conscientious nation, perform their citizen's duty. Talat Pasha was using Dashnaktsoutioun's loyal stand with Vardges, constantly sending telegrams to Van, Moosh and elsewhere to advise everyone to prevent any misunderstanding and to have patience to bear any bitterness without complaint.

All the Armenians of Erzerum embraced the recruitment, they were paying all the extra military taxes, they were tolerating every form of deprivation and plunder, refraining from any, although justified, objection and resistance.
In Van, there has been no serious undertaking by Tahsin Bey, before and mainly during the war, without the active collaboration of Dashnaktsoutioun (emphasis is mine H.)...
The people of Moosh and Sassoon, like the Armenians of Turkish vilayets, have been utterly loyal in the early stages of the war and have been extremely helpful to the state and the army...
Being aware of Dashnaktsoutioun's role, Servet Bey, the Mutisarrif of the time has turned to Dashnaktsoutioun time and again for help and he has got it.

They had organized:
1. A recruitment body that would go to Armenian villages to convince and encourage the youth.
2. Koryun's commission was charged to arrest and hand over the deserters.
3. Haji of Koto's commission transported supplies as far as Leez, Kop and Ghzl-Kyatuk.
4. Gegham of Erzerum's commission (Red Crescent) had engaged all the women and men uncapable of fighting in diverse tasks."

So much for the garbage, repeated ad nauseam, that the Armenians, led by the Dashnaks collaborated with the Russians and stabbed "their" nation in the back.

Second,
If you look at it at a greater scope, Anatolia, the land we sit and live on, is stolen. So according to your understanding Turks should gather whatever they got and return to Middle Asia.That, to me sounds naive, we are not going back anywhere.

I have answered this a million times also. So once more: You won't give, we will take!
When the Turkish Phallus slides out of the Zionist/Freemason mouths and they get enough of Turkish Delight sprayed all over their immoral faces, we will kick your Tatar asses back to Mongolia, the hell you come from and the hell you belong. (I'm quite economical with smileys, you just squeezed one out of me!)

Third,
As to map of Kurdistan, like any nation Kurds have dreams too. I could show you maps of Great Turkey, which begins from Agean Sea to the northeren borders of China, which includes all Turkic Republics, States on its way. İt sounds unrealistic or more likely fantastic. Just like great Kurdistan dreams. While even the most nationalist Kurdish party HADEP claims rest within one-flag, I have my doubts such a map is possible.

The emphesized part is to underline your Pan-Turkic instincts. This is the reason for the Armenian Genocide.
Kurdistan is a state that has NEVER existed throughout history and it's a shame on one hand they regret the things they did to Armenians, on the other hand they include Western Armenia in their maps of Kurdistan.
The Armenians have had a STATE, since AT LEAST 2800 years B.C., the state of Aratta (4800 years ago), mentioned in Sumerian cuneiform accounts. If you are interested I can give you some real history lessons.

Fourth
As to Turkey being built upon stolen things,it is simply a childish comment.
You probably feel so angry,sorry about the land and people you lost, you are making insults which have no basis by any means
Come to Istanbul and visit me, I will gladly be your guide and show you that Turkey is built upon Turkish and Kurdish people,culture .

Armenians built your goddamn "empire" and they got GENOCIDE for gratitude.
You stole our everything, including our genes, by stealing our children for Janissary, and our women to rape in your filthy harems, and that for centuries. You even lost your Mongoloid features in the process.

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You even lost your Mongoloid features in the process.

They may have lost their Mongoliod features for the most part, but they haven't lost their Mongoloid behavior and their filthy, genocidal genes certainly dominate them and it doesn't seem to matter how much you'd think they've been diluted. Their genocidal genes are, in fact, undilutable.

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You Think Like A Turk Therefore You Are A Turk!

You even lost your Mongoloid features in the process.

They may have lost their Mongoliod features for the most part, but they haven't lost their Mongoloid behavior and their filthy, genocidal genes certainly dominate them and it doesn't seem to matter how much you'd think they've been diluted. Their genocidal genes are, in fact, undilutable.

Thanks for the remark, anoush!
To eliminate any possibility of confusion:
Elsewhere I have stated many times that although they have lost their outward features, the one organ that has stayed in its Hunter-Gatherer stage of evolution is their Mongol brain. This has been in response to many assertions that "if we are descendants of the raped Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians, etc., it makes us the legitimate heirs of their cultures"!!!

I have told them time and again that it doesn't work that way, and the thief whose "fathers" have raped my daughters and who occupies my house, cannot be the legitimate owner of my house.
To cut it short, there is no Turkish race and it isn't a race issue.
You THINK like a Turk therefore you ARE a Turk, is what I tell them always.

[elendil]

After one week of holiday here we are again.

I have answered this a million times also. So once more: You won't give, we will take!
When the Turkish Phallus slides out of the Zionist/Freemason mouths and they get enough of Turkish Delight sprayed all over their immoral faces, we will kick your Tatar asses back to Mongolia, the hell you come from and the hell you belong. (I'm quite economical with smileys, you just squeezed one out of me!)

What nonsense. Armenia will take land from Turkey, not only that they will kick us back to central Asia. Funny

The emphesized part is to underline your Pan-Turkic instincts. This is the reason for the Armenian Genocide.
Kurdistan is a state that has NEVER existed throughout history and it's a shame on one hand they regret the things they did to Armenians, on the other hand they include Western Armenia in their maps of Kurdistan.
The Armenians have had a STATE, since AT LEAST 2800 years B.C., the state of Aratta (4800 years ago), mentioned in Sumerian cuneiform accounts. If you are interested I can give you some real history lessons.

What do I care if you had a state or not 2800 years B.C. ? What I am interested in is now, and now when you look at a World Map where you see
Turkey is our borders. Simple as that....

Armenians built your goddamn "empire" and they got GENOCIDE for gratitude.
You stole our everything, including our genes, by stealing our children for Janissary, and our women to rape in your filthy harems, and that for centuries. You even lost your Mongoloid features in the process.

Armenians no doubt took part in the empire, but claiming that Armenians built the whole empire is, wrong. Stealing genes is a concept that is the first time experience.
As for the rest we mixed with a lot of races during our journey. Mongol, Chinese,Arab, Kurdish, Armenian. It is the language and culture that lives on and holds us together. If we lost our features so what? Spirit lives on. Culture lives on. Thus Turkish people live on....

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No fair war, ok. Perhaps you are close to the truth. War is ugly. Victims of war are usually the most overlooked... However, your war was with Russians, and others but not Armenians. You took advantage of the cover of WWI and attempted to systematically eliminate the Armenian people. This goes beyond fair or not fair, this is condemned by the rest of the world as Genocide. In a war, soldiers fight soldiers. In the Armenian Genocide Soldiers and released barbarians from Turkish prisons slaughtered and maimed innocent civilians as their targets, it started with the men, and the intellectuals, and worked its way down to the women, elderly and children. SYSTEMATICALLY... That was NOT a WAR. And not until after this horror began did you have Armenians taking up arms in any significant numbers.

Check a history book... Armenians were known as, and treated as dogs, infidels in the late 19th century. An Armenian on a donkey or horse passing by a walking Turk, was forced by law to dismount from his/her animal and walk the horse past the Turk (obviously Turks were not subject to the same law). Does this say anything to you? Only after we were massacred and our 'freedoms' were totally lost did we DEFEND ourselves. Furthermore, Armenians in constantinople and other western cities could not have possibly helped the few Armenians on the Russian front, yet they were massacred right? How do you explain this? Why have eyewitnesses expressed horror at babies and women who were slaughtered? What do they have to do with a few volunteer Armenian defense units after we no longer could be led to your slaughter. What about the draft of Armenian men and boys into the ottoman army only to be immediately stripped of arms, organized into labor battalions and then forced to dig their own graves before being shot and buried? How was this fair? So Armenians were wrong because instead of the men being massacred in your army, they chose to pick up a knife or pitchfork (whichever was not taken away by Turks with their racist minority arms laws)... right? We are the WRONG ones right? And you...YOU didn't do anything but massacre a few. WRONG! It was an organized calculated attempt to destroy the Armenian nation and/or remove them from their historic homeland so that the OTTOMAN YOUNG TURKS could create the very pan-turkish dream you mentioned above.

As I said before we massacred you. Simple as that,neither I denied it. As for the claim of that Turks killed Armenians before they sided with Russia, listen to my friend's grandfather's story who lived in a village in eastern Turkey. He tells that Armenian bands entered the village at night, slaying his father's friends and children, his father and him escaped through night. We have eyewittneses too in the subject. As not everything that our goverment tells us to do, the same goes for your goverment. Pan-Turkish dream existed between the ruling-elite of Ottoman Empire those times. But like I said, even if Armenians were all killed it would stay as a dream.

Now someone is fantasizing if you think anything different! What did you bring with you from Central Asia when you plopped down on the land of Armenians and others? 'Hatred for anyone but Turks' doesn't count...

Sword, military, horse-riding(proficient) and normally following these death for many. However this is not a wise approximation to analyze Turkish culture, because at those times Turkish people were seeking a land to live on since central Asia was becoming a cold place to live. Land was not fertile. Turks generally had to plunder the lands of China not to starve. Turkish culture's movement begins with our turning into muslims which gave our young race a purpose to live expect surviving. Gathering from many races also giving, Turks formed an understanding of sword and Islam. For once Muslim people did not only defend but attack. Meanwhile Turkish people learned from many races. Building from Armenians, ruling above civilians from Persians, cooking from Kurdish , science from Arabs. Thus we learned and passed our teachers in their art. Still the culture of militarism is the strongest influence in Turkish culture. You can see it in the family structure. Anyway, what I want to say it is not important what we were. The important thing is what we are today...

Yeah naturally my 7 year old uncle was a traitor because he hid in the chimney of a friendly turkish house, and for that he deserved to have his hands cut off and bleed to death, right?

Or how about my Grandfathers nephew Varstadt who was a young school teacher at the college in Kharpert at the time of the Genocide. He was not a defender, revolutionary, or even involved with the Armenian movements seeking reform. The representatives of the the Young Turks 'Special Organization' welcomed themselves to his classroom and beheaded him in front of his students. Gee, isn't it strange that when Varastadt met his fate he was teaching class and not on the "Russian Front", isn't it? How do you explain that?

And while we are talking about the 'Special Organization', how do Turks weasel their way out of truthfully explaining the purpose and existance of this well documented organization?

Naturally defines the violence, bloodlust that war causes. Regardless of innocence people are killed, that is the nature of war. That is why I call the terrible things that happened to your ancestors natural.

I will come to Western Armenia, be sure of that. I will come to Turkey too, I have studied the Ottoman Empire, and will be very interested to travel Turkey while on my way to the Western Armenian homeland.

When showing me Turkish/Kurdish culture, what are you going to present? How about all the Armenian churches converted to Mosques! Maybe i'm stupid infidel and won't notice...

After taking your visa from Turkish Embassy and making your check-in to Turkey airport, you are welcomed to visit eastern Turkey.
I am going to present mosques,KervanSarays, Palaces we built,churces we converted to Mosques, Nargile Cafes, Turkish coffee and food, Turkish people and music. Simply what a French,Armenian, English or Arab would present. Everything about my people....

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I have to start it all over again...

elendil ellende

What nonsense. Armenia will take land from Turkey, not only that they will kick us back to central Asia. Funny

Laugh while it lasts... Laugh while the ignorant (of the level of Turkish inhumanity) West led by the United Kingdom of the Greatest Turkish Phallus Worshippers and encouraged by the international Zionism is sucking up to Turkey and pouring hundreds of billions of dollars down the bottomless throat of the Sick Man of Europe... not knowing the day it enters EU the countdown to the extinction of the Western Civilization will start.
Once they've had enough of swallowing Turkish Delight on their knees, that'll be the day you get your bottoms ready for the kick back to Turkestan.

What do I care if you had a state or not 2800 years B.C. ? What I am interested in is now, and now when you look at a World Map where you see
Turkey is our borders. Simple as that....

Of course you don't give a damn. How else would you invade our land, rape and torture and slaughter our women and children for a thousand years and after you took everything from us and turned our country in ruin, you give us genocide and sit comfortably in our homes and pretend nothing happened.

I have already said I believe the Turks have somehow missed the normal process of evolution and they have stayed in the Hunter-Gatherer stage of development, therefore attributes developed by the rest of humanity, as a result of the progress of human societies, like shame, sympathy, compassion, honesty, modesty, guilt, ability to share others' pain, etc., have not been acquired by all Turks yet (though some are changing).

I'll get back to the world map later. It will make this post too long. For now just remember the Sèvres treaty signed by the loser Turkey and the victorious countries Britain, France, Italy, Japan, Armenia, Belgium, Greece, the Hedjaz, Poland, Portugal, Romania, the Serb-Croat-Slovene state and Czecho-Slovakia.
History has not reached its end, that will be when humanity will not exist anymore. We’ve seen them all come and go and Turkey is nothing compared to mighty empires of Assyria, Rome, Persia, Byzantium, Czarist and Soviet Russia to name a few.

Armenians no doubt took part in the empire, but claiming that Armenians built the whole empire is, wrong.

It's such a shame I have to repeat myself for every new Turk that comes here (and elsewhere) and regurgitates the same rubbish. What the hell, here I paste some and I add some to give you a picture:

For a start I suggest you read a research by Sholeh Perinçek where she says:
"The first western style Theatrical performances (in Turkey) were staged in the Armenian schools...
The first actress in Turkey was Arousiak Papazian.
The first musical organization, the Eastern Musical Company, was founded by Tigran Choukhajian who also wrote the first Turkish operetta.
The first orchestra in Istanbul was founded by Grigor Sinanian whose brother Haroutiuon Sinanian wrote the anthem for the Young Turks (how ironic...).
The first sculptor in Turkey is Yervand Oskan.
Edgar Manas, who arranged the "Hymn for independence" for the Turkish Republic founded the first female choir in Turkey.
Marie Louise, the daughter of Bogos Garagash who opened the first florist in Istanbul, is the first female Opera singer in Turkey.
Petros Kerestejian prepared the first (and the only) Turkish etymological dictionary. He translated Karl Marx's Manifesto in Turkish, in1847.
The first Turkish satirical monthly was published in 1852 by Hovsep Vardanian.
The first printing house in Izmir (Smyrna) was founded in 1759 by an Armenian named Markos.
The feminist movement in Turkey was pioneered by Haikanoush Mark.
Marie Pishmishian is the first female mathematician in Turkey.
The first female fighter plane pilot in the world was Ataturk's adopted daughter Sabiha Gökçe".

About 40% of the export, 60% of the import and 80% of the "empire"'s commerce were run by Armenians.

For generations the Duzian family run the money printing, while Dadians were responsible for the gunpowder manufacture (how ironic...) and Balians literally built Constantinople including all those Magnificent palaces for your unworthy sultans who in the filthy harems of those same palaces raped our women for generations which finally caused you to lose your Mongoloid features.

The Turks didn't like work, they frowned upon it and thought it beneath them. The Turkish children only wanted to become soldiers when they grew up.
There was a saying in those black days that proved your tent-dwelling ancestors were not capable of putting one brick upon another:

Ermeni ustanin elinden geçmeyen caminin minaresi ayakta kalmaz, yikilir.

From ‘Ermeni Sorunu’ by T. Ates in ‘Yol’ No. 22-24, p.38, Duisburg, 1982.

A colleague of yours was kind enough to translate it for us:

Unless an Armenian Master touches a minaret it would collapse soon.

And Sinan literally built the 16th century Ottoman. There are 360 mosques, schools, bridges, hospitals... attributed to him.
The list is endless.

Stealing genes is a concept that is the first time experience.

As for the rest we mixed (what a euphemism! H.) with a lot of races during our journey. Mongol, Chinese,Arab, Kurdish, Armenian. It is the language and culture that lives on and holds us together. If we lost our features so what?

Does Janissary ring a bell? How about rape being the main pillar of the Ottoman Tyranny?
How else do you explain that several tens of thousands (OK hundreds of thousands max) of savage, nomadic, cattle-herder bandits who invaded our home, have become 60 million in 700 years, keeping in mind that the Ottomans crushed Armenia under their cloven hoofs only somewhere in 1520's?
And I did tell you that your Mongol brain was the sole organ that stayed in the primitive stage of evolution, so you don't have to remind me.

Rape, stealing of women and children, forced Turkification and genocide are the weapons of choice of your kind to increase their population. Just like parasites. But hey, at the end it has paid off!

Spirit lives on. Culture lives on. Thus Turkish people live on....

What culture? You took what you call Turkish culture from Arabs, Greeks, Armenians, Balkan peoples and all the other ethnicities who suffered the Ottoman yoke.
For authentic Turkish “culture” you need to go to the steppes of Central Asia and listen to Chingiz Khan music.

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I am going to present mosques,KervanSarays, Palaces we built,churces we converted to Mosques, Nargile Cafes, Turkish coffee and food, Turkish people and music. Simply what a French,Armenian, English or Arab would present. Everything about my people....

We all know there are plenty fo those... but I doubt any Armenian would be interested in seeing them. That right there, is what we call DESTRUCTION OF ARMENIAN MONUMENTS.

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I have already said I believe the Turks have somehow missed the normal process of evolution and they have stayed in the Hunter-Gatherer stage of development, therefore attributes developed by the rest of humanity, as a result of the progress of human societies, like shame, sympathy, compassion, honesty, modesty, guilt, ability to share others' pain, etc., have not been acquired by all Turks yet (though some are changing).

That is an extremly racist remark and that is a reason why Armenia is not taken seriously because people think they are racists. Language like that proves it. I hope not all Armenians are like this!

I have to start again... What have I done to deserve this?
Armenia is not taken seriously because the interests of the Zionist/Freemason Turk-suckers dictates the immoral West to support Turkey. You have to check the "language" of the resident Turk at http://engforum.pravda.ru forum and some of the banned Turks in this forum to understand my reaction. You quote me out of context and throw your "racist" garbage at me. Typically Turkish, you revealed your ethnicity.
Nothing is more racist than invading a country, using its people to build your “empire”, abusing, humiliating and treating them like cattle for 9 centuries and wiping them out of their homeland of thousands of years, changing the name of their country to “Eastern Anatolia” and denying it all.

History has not reached its end, that will be when humanity will not exist anymore. We’ve seen them all come and go and Turkey is nothing compared to mighty empires of Assyria, Rome, Persia, Byzantium, Czarist and Soviet Russia to name a few.

The Ottoman Empire cant be underestimated if they had captured Vienna then who knows Rome the Catholic capital of the world could have fallen to the Ottoman Empire that would have changed the world as we know it today. Infact the Ottoman Empire was larger than the Persian Empire. - (Often a over looked fact)

I don't know what your response has to do with my remark. I say we've seen them come and go, and none of them exists today.
If the Turks hadn't been stopped at the gates of Vienna, the European Civilization would already have been gone for 500 years.
That's why Turkey wants to enter EU, they have admitted that they have been waiting for this day for 500 years.
As soon as Turkey enters EU, the countdown to the downfall of the European Civilization will start and in less than two centuries, all Europeans will be Turkish.
BTW, you are mere midgets compared to the Roman Empire.

Does Janissary ring a bell? How about rape being the main pillar of the Ottoman Tyranny?
How else do you explain that several tens of thousands (OK hundreds of thousands max) of savage, nomadic, cattle-herder bandits who invaded our home, have become 60 million in 700 years, keeping in mind that the Ottomans crushed Armenia under their cloven hoofs only somewhere in 1520's?

haha the Janissaries where Christians subjects conscripted for the army they were not Turks at all. Most of Turkeys population growth has been in the last century the population quadrupled from about 20 million (max) to around 70/80 million or so now.

Again, you seem not to have "understood" what I said.
In relation to the disappearance of Mongoloid features of the Turks, I said that the diabolical practice of Janissary, i.e. the stealing and forced conversion of Armenian and other Christian boys, that went on for 500 years, was another factor, along with rape, forced Turkification, stealing of women and children, that brought about the superficial mutation of the Turks. However as was mentioned time and again the Mongol brain has remained in the primitive hunter-gatherer state of evolution. Hence, the arrogance and meaningless nationalism (what nation?) of many Turks and the resulting aggression, manifested even in recent years in Sumgait, Baku, Gandzak massacres of 1988, the barbaric mutilation of Gurgen Markarian in 2004 and the destruction of Armenian monuments in occupied Armenian province of Nakhijevan.

What culture? You took what you call Turkish culture from Arabs, Greeks, Armenians, Balkan peoples and all the other ethnicities who suffered the Ottoman yoke.
For authentic Turkish “culture” you need to go to the steppes of Central Asia and listen to Chingiz Khan music.

Wrong the Turks are not related to the mongols. The Turks are not a mongoliod race they are more Caucasian than anything. In fact the Turks fled the region because of Mongol slaughter.

Already answered. There is no Turkish race. Being a Turk is a state of mind. You think like a Turk, therefore you are a Turk.

The Turks created Kebabs the Greeks stole that as well as many other dishes...

Kabab (in Persian) or Kebab means barbecue and it has existed in different cultures. However, if that's your only "contribution" to human civilization, then I pity you...

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Originally Posted by neutral
The Turks created Kebabs the Greeks stole that as well as many other dishes...


Kabab (in Persian) or Kebab means barbecue and it has existed in different cultures. However, if that's your only "contribution" to human civilization, then I pity you...

Man.....This was so funny and sooooooooo gooood..!!!!