Armenian lesbians/gays

[gegev]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

Is the personal freedom, as you understand it; right of doing anti-Christian/religion things; like homosexual marriages and/or for the girls; having sex with hundreds of men, to get experienced, before marriage or something else? I see you are a Great expert in everything.

The only thing, I really appreciate in KarotheGreat; is his avatar. Which, in fact, has nothing to do with ...

Did anyone here even suggest these things? Or are you really bad at reading what other people write?

The funniest thing is that some people are trying to force Christian ideals on a people that don't want them. When you have two different words for a believer and a Christian, one of them being something negative, you know that those people don't want your Christian values.

The question isn't whether we want Armenians to fall in love with the same sex, or never get married with their life partner, or to sleep with hundreds of people; the question is whether THEY want it. It's not other people's call to make. To police the morality of consenting adults is to insult their autonomy.

Personally, and I would add this on the 'should Armenian girls stay virgins until marriage' thread, but it seems to be closed, I find the idea of sex as something to be dictated by public consensus archaic. Adults may sleep with whoever they want, for whatever reason they want. Now, as to the question of whether they SHOULD, sex is such an integral part of human nature that to repress it and stigmatize it, to speak about it as something forbidden and shameful, is to deny the very basic in us.

Which isn't to say that it's morally valid to sleep around. But if every time you want to sleep with someone you find yourself hating your own mind for it, then that is unhealthy; no one should have to live that way. To encourage responsible sexual activity, the best thing to do is to instill good decision-making skills and a cool head in young people, to make them approach sex carefully but not fearfully. Then if they do choose to have sex, it will be most likely in a loving monogamous relationship, where both parties don't feel prosecuted by society for the manifestation of their love.

Read this or 'should Armenian girls stay virgins until marriage' and other lesbian/gay threads of this form to find what you are interested in.

Let me ask the same question again:

Is the personal freedom, as you understand it; right of doing anti-Christian/religion things; like homosexual marriages and/or for the girls; having sex with hundreds of men, to get experienced, before marriage or something else?

Note please that at the end of the previous sentence there was a question mark.

According to ADandelion above the very basic in us; human beings is; sex and sex organs the rest of our belongings are secondary things.

[ADandelion]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

Let me ask the same question again:

Is the personal freedom, as you understand it; right of doing anti-Christian/religion things; like homosexual marriages and/or for the girls; having sex with hundreds of men, to get experienced, before marriage or something else?

Personal freedom, as I understand it, is the intrinsic right of any rational, able-minded person to be free to determine the course of their own life, to think whatever they wish to think, to act as they wish to act, to say what they wish to say, so long as their actions do not directly harm others. They must be free to do so without fear of being harmed by the establishment of society should they wish to exercise their autonomy; being told it's legal to marry within the same sex in a city where doing so will get you shot when you walk home at night is not freedom; it's a farce.

If one wishes to do anti-Christian things like marry a member of the same sex, or to have sex with hundreds of men, or have sex in a relationship outside of marriage for the experience, then that is an exercise of personal freedom. Personal freedom means that a person is able to choose the morals by which they live, unimpeded by society.

In short, yes. This does not, of course, mean that when given freedom people will be motivated to do what you are suggesting they will.

[gegev]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

Personal freedom, as I understand it, is the intrinsic right of any rational, able-minded person to be free to determine the course of their own life, to think whatever they wish to think, to act as they wish to act, to say what they wish to say, so long as their actions do not directly harm others. They must be free to do so without fear of being harmed by the establishment of society should they wish to exercise their autonomy; being told it's legal to marry within the same sex in a city where doing so will get you shot when you walk home at night is not freedom; it's a farce.

If one wishes to do anti-Christian things like marry a member of the same sex, or to have sex with hundreds of men, or have sex in a relationship outside of marriage for the experience, then that is an exercise of personal freedom. Personal freedom means that a person is able to choose the morals by which they live, unimpeded by society.

In short, yes. This does not, of course, mean that when given freedom people will be motivated to do what you are suggesting they will.

As a Christian I want to talk/communicate only with straight people; in terms of sexual orientation.

Do I have the right rejecting to talk with you?

[Flamenkita]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

Personal freedom, as I understand it, is the intrinsic right of any rational, able-minded person to be free to determine the course of their own life, to think whatever they wish to think, to act as they wish to act, to say what they wish to say, so long as their actions do not directly harm others. They must be free to do so without fear of being harmed by the establishment of society should they wish to exercise their autonomy; being told it's legal to marry within the same sex in a city where doing so will get you shot when you walk home at night is not freedom; it's a farce.

If one wishes to do anti-Christian things like marry a member of the same sex, or to have sex with hundreds of men, or have sex in a relationship outside of marriage for the experience, then that is an exercise of personal freedom. Personal freedom means that a person is able to choose the morals by which they live, unimpeded by society.

In short, yes. This does not, of course, mean that when given freedom people will be motivated to do what you are suggesting they will.

With these folks it's like hitting your head against a brick wall. The only personal freedom that matters to them is their own personal freedom to dictate how other people should think and live. They are foreclosed to any sort of reasonable discussion because they know that their beliefs and arguments are baseless.

[Flamenkita]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

As a Christian I want to talk/communicate only with straight people; in terms of sexual orientation.

Do I have the right rejecting to talk with you?

Sure! Like that you can stay closed minded and brutish forever.

[Flamenkita]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

ADandelion, Karo, Sip, Siggy, et al., these folks remind me of a bunch of toddlers who have a tantrum every time something is done differently from how they want it. My kids used to have tantrums any time their favorite socks weren't clean and available for them to wear. My daughter once had a long tantrum because she wanted to open the garage door manually, and it was too heavy for her, but she didn't want anyone to tell her or show her how to do it. We stood out there for 45 minutes alternating between her trying and her wailing.

Many have described the Judeo-Christian mono-god as a toddler also. If you don't do things the way they are to be done, then he has a tantrum and sends abominations and plagues.

The thing with kids is, though, their tantrums eventually blow over and decrease in frequency as they learn to take perspective, as they realize that they don't have power over other people, that there is no such thing as magic, and as they develop empathy and compassion toward other human beings.

When you are a grown up and are still having tantrums every time someone disagrees with you, and if your equilibrium depends on others complying with your views and needs, and if you insist on your way "just because", then there's something seriously wrong. There is something pathological there. You have there the beginnings of a totalitarian regime.

[ADandelion]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

As a Christian I want to talk/communicate only with straight people; in terms of sexual orientation.

Do I have the right rejecting to talk with you?

You absolutely have that right.

'I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.'
- Evelyn Beatrice Hall

[ADandelion]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

Giving people freedom is the most Christian act one could possibly indulge in. The whole point of morality is that we have FREE WILL to execute it; we are given a choice to do what we will, to live our lives to the best of our abilities. If you take that away, if people do 'good' out of fear, then that is the response to base, animalistic self-preservation. There is no good, no ethics in that.

If God wanted us to act a certain way, we would have made us incapable of acting in any other way. He didn't fence off the Tree of Knowledge from Adam and Eve; he gave them a choice and the freedom to execute it uninhibited. What he wants us, above all, is to make self-directed decisions. Any Christian who advocates that we override people's ability to choose is bypassing God's most basic intentions.

[hrai]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

I can't believe this thread has got to 18 pages............................................. ............................

[Mos]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

I still don't understand what 'personal freedoms' has to do with any of this. No one is advocating for government to force people to do anything. We are just talking about the importance of preserving cultural and social values in our soceity and not giving into westernised societal values which is coming as part of this "globalisation movement". In the end, people do whatever they want, what we want is that people when making that free choice to make the choice with respect to our family and cultural values.