Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

[Artashes]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Everything I know about this topic comes from this forum.
Clearly I'm getting two (2) different points of view.
When someone sells something (gas for instance) to another money is usually what it is sold for.
It seems to me that Iran is saying ... We could lower the price but we want something.
A concession . So a straight up deal is not enough but they want something from us.
It seems to me that is exactly what russia is doing.
We manage to retain a small (20%) control of our (OUR) gas infra structure & Russia pressures us to give them that.
Apparently Iran wants something too & is not happy that they aren't getting it.
Neither of these countries seem to genuinely care for our people or country.
If either actually cared they both have the ability to extend the hand of friendship without putting the other hand in our pocket.
I know, every country has the right to care about their own country.
A big guy was chasing a smaller guy around in a parking lot in Kodiak island one time. The smaller guy was trying his utmost to avoid his pursuer by running around cars so a car was between him & a violent attack. A crowd of people were stand watching this scene unfold. I went into the parking lot and walked up to the aggressor & told him the other guy did not want to fight so stop chasing him. Tough guy says ... What are you going to do? I reply ... Call the cops. Matcho fades away like the twit he was.
So I go up to the smaller guy and say ... I want some concessions . NOT
Any of that make sense?
We all need help sometimes.
When your down and out I suggest you do NOT go to the lending sharks for a loan.
Is anyone out there seeing ANY good choices for us?
What a fkd up situation our country is in.
And yet what's our alternative?
I know the American guy that ran for president had all the answers. At least he said he did.
Iran has clearly stated they will give us a better deal IF we negotiate something.
Am I the only person that would help someone out BECAUSE they need help???
God damn
I'm logged in and am being told I need to log in???? When I go to top it shows I'm logged in???

[Mher]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

http://www.armenialiberty.org/media/video/25192475.html

for Armenian understanders, interview of Iran's Ambassador, exposing the lies of Movsisyan....
Iran must be furious about Armenian capitulation.....
I do not remember any such public exposure from Iran, even after multiple "Armenian" bad gestures...., such as the diametr of the pipe, etc...

Hi Vrej jan
First of let me say this: As someone much older than me, who fought for the country, who is still in Armenia, I think you have the right to have any view you chose, and unless I, or anyone here for that matter, make the same sacrifices you have made, nobody here has a right to criticize your opinions. Having said that, can you explain why you think the gas deal is hurting Armenia. Do you truly believe that Iran would sell us gas cheaper than $189, or even $270? Because I can not see in any world were that would be even remotely realistic. I'm not an expert in petroleum engineer or the trade of oil/gas, but to me it seems like when Armenia gets something at half the market price, at domestic prices of Russia, that has to be extremely close to the breakeven value of the gas. Why would Iran be willing to sell us something at a loss or minimal profit? Like I have stated before, I am not particularly fond of Russia or Russian culture. I'm not happy that Armenia has to forgo a lot of independent decisions for the near future. I only recognize the fact that the Russian alliance is necessary for the immediate survival of the Armenian state. So can you please explain what your views are? English or Armenian would be fine. Thank you!

[Haykakan]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

I am glad that i am not the only one in this forum anymore who calls bs for what it is by these western slappies and spies who work for our enemies. Corruption is nothing new but the savatage we are witnessing is hell bent on the utter destruction of Armenia and is new. It is the growth of these types of saboteurs that is the true threat to our very existence. Many people buy what these davachans say and they do not have the ability to distinguish between truth and dangerous propaganda. This type of action is specifically designed to make it impossible for the government of Armenia to do anything. The distinguishing feature of this malignant tumor is the absence of alternative solutions or answers and very often the absence of stating any problem at all. They are not interested in Armenias problems nor finding solutions to them. They simply want the total collapse of the country.

[Artashes]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

The only difference I can see between Russia & Iran is russia makes much better weapons than Iran.
Also there was that time when a Russian commander found every single Armenian in a certain village murdered & did chase down the turks that did that & ordered his troops to kill every last one of the hybrid turks.
Artashes

[Hakob]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Hi Vrej jan
First of let me say this: As someone much older than me, who fought for the country, who is still in Armenia, I think you have the right to have any view you chose, and unless I, or anyone here for that matter, make the same sacrifices you have made, nobody here has a right to criticize your opinions. Having said that, can you explain why you think the gas deal is hurting Armenia. Do you truly believe that Iran would sell us gas cheaper than $189, or even $270? Because I can not see in any world were that would be even remotely realistic. I'm not an expert in petroleum engineer or the trade of oil/gas, but to me it seems like when Armenia gets something at half the market price, at domestic prices of Russia, that has to be extremely close to the breakeven value of the gas. Why would Iran be willing to sell us something at a loss or minimal profit? Like I have stated before, I am not particularly fond of Russia or Russian culture. I'm not happy that Armenia has to forgo a lot of independent decisions for the near future. I only recognize the fact that the Russian alliance is necessary for the immediate survival of the Armenian state. So can you please explain what your views are? English or Armenian would be fine. Thank you!

Mher. I read your words about Vrej having fought for our country, his age and is still in Armenia. That makes a lot of diffrence.

Vrej... Whatever I say about your posts or the ones who write them, please don't take it peronally. I don't know you. But I take my hat off for you in respect, if what Mher says about you is true.
But also I don't back off from my comments and criticisms about those views. If you had put your own ideas, instead of those political groups, probably there could be understanding between us and we could come to important conclusions that mean a benefit for us.

[Artashes]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Hi Vrej jan
First of let me say this: As someone much older than me, who fought for the country, who is still in Armenia, I think you have the right to have any view you chose, and unless I, or anyone here for that matter, make the same sacrifices you have made, nobody here has a right to criticize your opinions. Having said that, can you explain why you think the gas deal is hurting Armenia. Do you truly believe that Iran would sell us gas cheaper than $189, or even $270? Because I can not see in any world were that would be even remotely realistic. I'm not an expert in petroleum engineer or the trade of oil/gas, but to me it seems like when Armenia gets something at half the market price, at domestic prices of Russia, that has to be extremely close to the breakeven value of the gas. Why would Iran be willing to sell us something at a loss or minimal profit? Like I have stated before, I am not particularly fond of Russia or Russian culture. I'm not happy that Armenia has to forgo a lot of independent decisions for the near future. I only recognize the fact that the Russian alliance is necessary for the immediate survival of the Armenian state. So can you please explain what your views are? English or Armenian would be fine. Thank you!

Mher. I read your words about Vrej having fought for our country, his age and is still in Armenia. That makes a lot of diffrence.

Vrej... Whatever I say about your posts or the ones who write them, please don't take it peronally. I don't know you. But I take my hat off for you in respect, if what Mher says about you is true.
But also I don't back off from my comments and criticisms about those views. If you had put your own ideas, instead of those political groups, probably there could be understanding between us and we could come to important conclusions that mean a benefit for us.

I am of the same sentiment as Mher & I fully agree with the respect Hakob has expressed for you (Vrej).
I read your (Vrej) post with great interest & have found your concerns for Seven and many other topics both near and dear to my heart & sentiments.
Thanks for your input Vrej.
Sincerely as ever
Artashes

[Mher]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

The only difference I can see between Russia & Iran is russia makes much better weapons than Iran.
Also there was that time when a Russian commander found every single Armenian in a certain village murdered & did chase down the turks that did that & ordered his troops to kill every last one of the hybrid turks.
Artashes

That is really a good point. Ultimately everyone wants something.
The only difference is Russia is the worlds most nuclear proliferated country meaning it has to be taken seriously and can never be sanctioned, has world class weapons that it needs to discard due to upgrades, and yields global influence.

The only point of caution is that Armenia needs to not overplay its had and insult the only dependable neighbor we have. A neighbor that ultimately shares an enemy and would become a important ally under the right circumstances.

[Mher]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Mher. I read your words about Vrej having fought for our country, his age and is still in Armenia. That makes a lot of diffrence.

Vrej... Whatever I say about your posts or the ones who write them, please don't take it peronally. I don't know you. But I take my hat off for you in respect, if what Mher says about you is true.
But also I don't back off from my comments and criticisms about those views. If you had put your own ideas, instead of those political groups, probably there could be understanding between us and we could come to important conclusions that mean a benefit for us.

I am of the same sentiment as Mher & I fully agree with the respect Hakob has expressed for you (Vrej).
I read your (Vrej) post with great interest & have found your concerns for Seven and many other topics both near and dear to my heart & sentiments.
Thanks for your input Vrej.
Sincerely as ever
Artashes

I hope my memory serves me right, and I didn't mistake Vrej for someone else, but I do believe I remember correctly.
And yes Vrej, even writing in Armenian would be much more helpful than posting these articles.
Especially when its articles from Lragir, I'm not going to spend the time and effort to read it. However if you were making an argument yourself it would be much easier to read it and understand your point of view. In the same way londontsi explained his views on the pension reform. It's something I didn't know a lot about, and didn't have an opinion on, but him writing his point of view with his arguments was much easier to understand that someone else's argument with their own agenda.

[Eddo211]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Vrej is not the only vet that I have heard who brings up these points that no one wants to hear about.....I salute them.

[Artashes]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Vrej is not the only vet that I have heard who brings up these points that no one wants to hear about.....I salute them.

Yes, I'm in full agreement on that. The killing of Armenian patriots by both soviet & Russian forces under direct kremlin authority absolutely has to be included in the equation.
The Armenian patriots I speak of are in fact simply men & women who are fighting for the right to live on their ancestral homeland & and the right to retain their ancestral homeland.
There is no justification (ligitimate) for that.
Unfortunately as I see it all the other entities are ready to sell us to.
Does Armenia have any real friends?
Artashes