Iranian-Armenian relations

[Lucin]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

1. Under your best guess or information, are a fewer percentage of Armenian women in Iran involved in prostitution than women in Armenia?

I wouldn't compare the two. Your analogy is faulty here. It is more complicated... Most Iranian-Armenians are well-off contrary to the Armenians of Armenia and quite naturally this may affect the overall social, behavioural outlook of the two group...

2. If 50% women of marrying age face this risk in Armenia (as in the news story says) and the "problem was with themselves" and they weren't "forced" -- why would they have those problems in Armenia and not Iran?

Oh, so you think such problems are non-existant or rare or less frequent in Iran? Prostitution is unfortunately quite prevalent in a country such as Iran with some imposed religious, social codes. You don't have to be half-nude roaming blatantly in the streets to be called a 'prostitute'. It suffices to go on the streets (as one example) after 8 o'oclock or so to see how prostitution functions in Tehran for instance. It is a known fact that in a strictly 'religious' city such as Ghom (the Iranian Vatican if I may say) prostitution has proved to have much higher rates than other cities... and the problem has been exposed many times in the internal Iranian newspapers... but you try to make it seem as if everything goes quite well in Iran.

3. If the problem is more in Armenia, is there a higher risk for Armenian women getting involved in something like that by moving to Armenia?

4. Lastly, do you think there is a higher chance that Armenian women moving to the U.S. will end up in prostitution than if they move to Iran? Why? or Why not?

By moving to Armenia or the US, the risk may be higher in the sense that the disguised poor 'innocent' girl finds herself in a more proper environment to 'act' but in reality, she was already a potential prostitute.

On the street, for such a look she could get arrested: no hair AT ALL can be shown out of headscarf.

This is not true at all. I would even say that she has dressed rather conservatively...

[KanadaHye]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

It's not about having them follow Western Standards, but giving them the freedom of choice of personal decisions such as what to wear. Why should government have any say in what you wear? Who the hell is government to make that kind of decision for people?

So why shouldn't people be able to walk around naked? Why should strip clubs have the monopoly on nudity? You're grouping two different groups together, one being society and two being government. Government is generally supposed to represent the people. If the majority of the people want that dress code and the government enforces it by law, then they are doing their job.

[Mos]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

So why shouldn't people be able to walk around naked? Why should strip clubs have the monopoly on nudity? You're grouping two different groups together, one being society and two being government. Government is generally supposed to represent the people. If the majority of the people want that dress code and the government enforces it by law, then they are doing their job.

And you are so sure that the Iranian people who heartedly support the government imposed dress code? Or is it more the older, religious conservative folks that are mainly in control supporting it? So why is that when Iranian women visit Armenia they dress so openly, and some even dress effectively half naked that would make people in a liberal Western city uncomfortable? Even with that however, government has not right to tell people what to wear, there can be a minimal bar (to prevent nudity) but more than that is going over the line. It's the responsibility of the family to determine what their daughters can wear and its the upbringing that should influence them. Having government decide that is stupid and backwards.

[Persopolis]

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So what does Iran's laws have to do with Armenia-Iranian relations? [question directed to Mos]

You are among the people that can save Armenia - I agree with you. I will give you an answer as to why several people have literally devoted their lives online for the last few years in attempting to cast Iran in an unfavorable light. Either they want to create conditions whereby you are deprived of a regional ally or it shows a failure of the educational system that borders on putting Armenians at risk (neither of which I wish).

[KanadaHye]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

And you are so sure that the Iranian people who heartedly support the government imposed dress code? Or is it more the older, religious conservative folks that are mainly in control supporting it? So why is that when Iranian women visit Armenia they dress so openly, and some even dress effectively half naked that would make people in a liberal Western city uncomfortable? Even with that however, government has not right to tell people what to wear, there can be a minimal bar (to prevent nudity) but more than that is going over the line. It's the responsibility of the family to determine what their daughters can wear and its the upbringing that should influence them. Having government decide that is stupid and backwards.

I think you fail to understand how power works. If I own and run a business, I can make my employees wear whatever I choose for them. As elected officials of government, they have the power to enforce any laws which are supported by the people. If the majority of the people are conservative and aren't complaining about the laws then that is their prerogative. Also remember that in every traditional society, the elders are respected as being wise (This was true even with native Indians). If the young generation wants to take power from the old, they better think about working for that right since the old generation worked their butts off to build the world that the youth are destroying. If the government has no right in deciding what people wear, then why are these clothes being banned in Europe? Most likely it's because the fashionistas can't profit from Muslim women.

[Persopolis]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

By moving to Armenia or the US, the risk may be higher in the sense that the disguised poor 'innocent' girl finds herself in a more proper environment to 'act' but in reality, she was already a potential prostitute.

This what I was getting at - in Iran we do a better job of protecting Armenian women from getting involved in the sex trade than the U.S. or Armenia (for whatever reason).

(In fairness I already admitted that every country, including Iran, has prostitution, whether legal or underground.)

(Man ba khanoom dava nadaram aziz; Ba ehteram barat minivisam.)

[Artsakh]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

(In fairness I already admitted that every country, including Iran, has prostitution, whether legal or underground.)

(Man ba khanoom dava nadaram aziz; Ba ehteram barat minivisam.)

Ya, sure you would, now that the whole world knows to what catasrophic degrees the problem in Iran has reached.

[Artsakh]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Hopefully, now we get back to the serious topic of the strategic relationship between Iran and Armenia

[Artsakh]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

Iran Seeks ‘Unlimited’ Cooperation With Armenia


Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinejad reaffirmed Iran’s desire to expand political and economic links with Armenia during weekend talks in Tehran with his visiting Armenian counterpart Serzh Sarkisian.


The two men reviewed bilateral ties and, in particular, the implementation of Armenian-Iranian commercial projects on the sidelines of official celebrations of the ancient Persian Nowruz holiday.

Sarkisian attended the festivities along with the presidents of Afghanistan, Iraq, Tajikistan and Turkmenistan. Several other regional states were represented by more low-level officials.

According to Iran’s English-language Press TV network, Ahmadinejad told Sarkisian on Sunday that Tehran “has placed no limits on the development of cooperation with Yerevan” and wants to deepen ties between the two “friendly neighbors.”

The Iranian Fars news agency reported that the talks focused on ways of “strengthening bilateral cooperation and good neighborly relations.” It said Ahmadinejad stressed the importance of the multimillion-dollar energy and transport projects approved by the two governments.

A statement by the Armenian presidential press service said Sarkisian also reaffirmed Yerevan’s strong interest in their implementation. It said the two presidents specifically discussed ambitions plans to build a railway connecting Armenia with Iran.

The railway construction is estimated to cost at least $1 billion. Neither government has so far identified concrete sources of funding for the project.

Yerevan and Tehran are much closer to starting work on two hydro-electric plants on the Arax river marking the Armenian-Iranian border and a pipeline that will ship Iranian fuel to Armenia.

In a speech delivered during the Nowruz celebrations later on Sunday, Sarkisian described the Armenian-Iranian relationship as “truly exemplary.” “Our friendship and the existence of a thriving Armenian community in Iran is a good example of cooperation and mutual enrichment of the Christian and Islamic civilizations,” he said.

“Cooperation between Armenia and Iran is a history of friendship, tolerance, mutual respect and cultural dialogue,” he added.

Sarkisian’s press office said on Friday that the Armenian leader is also scheduled to meet with Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. However, no such meeting was reported by official Armenian and Iranian sources by Monday evening.

The Armenian and Iranian foreign ministers held separate talks in Tehran on Sunday. The Armenian Foreign Ministry said they discussed a “wide range issues related to bilateral relations.”

The Islamic Republic’s growing ties its sole Christian neighbor appear to have caused serious unease in Azerbaijan. In a series of public statements made last month, several pro-government members of Azerbaijan’s parliament accused Iran of pursuing an “anti-Azerbaijani” policy and demanded that Baku scale back relations with Tehran.

The Azerbaijani government has until now avoided endorsing such accusations or publicly demanding that Iran join in Azerbaijan’s and Turkey’s long-running economic blockade of Armenia. Still, Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev was conspicuously absent from the Nowruz celebrations in Tehran.

http://www.armenialiberty.org/content/article/3539533.html

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Iranian-Armenian relations

I think you fail to understand how power works. If I own and run a business, I can make my employees wear whatever I choose for them. As elected officials of government, they have the power to enforce any laws which are supported by the people. If the majority of the people are conservative and aren't complaining about the laws then that is their prerogative. Also remember that in every traditional society, the elders are respected as being wise (This was true even with native Indians). If the young generation wants to take power from the old, they better think about working for that right since the old generation worked their butts off to build the world that the youth are destroying. If the government has no right in deciding what people wear, then why are these clothes being banned in Europe? Most likely it's because the fashionistas can't profit from Muslim women.

The thing is the more laws you make the more laws that are going to be broken. Most clothes aren't banned in Europe you can were what ever you like but what is happening now is that people are being forced to show their faces in public. Muslim women are still allowed to cover their hair and stuff but they have to show their face when they are in public. As long as it stays there I agree with the law but the moment that law crosses the point and starts banning muslim cloths its time for me to speak up against. The thing is you were talking that we have to respect their culture but when are they going to respect European culture? If a woman goes to Iran or SA they have to cover their hair but when Europe does something similair and forces women to show their faces there is drama and politicians are being called facists and racists.

In my opinion the government should stay out of lives and never force us to wear something or force us not to wear something its the same with the bedroom the government doesn't have a right in there.