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  • Re: Religion and Atheism

    Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
    Not in the case of a breathalyzer malfunction for a DUI. You're guilty until proven innocent.
    No ... The state would present their case and their evidence (the breathalyzer reading) and the defendant would highlight the error rate and whatever else. If the state's evidence isn't reliable, it will be given less weight, etc.
    I knew when I was adding that bit about the criminal standard of proof that you'd run with that and ignore the larger point. ZOMG, I think I just proved I'm psychic!
    [COLOR=#4b0082][B][SIZE=4][FONT=trebuchet ms]“If you think you can, or you can’t, you’re right.”
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    • Re: Religion and Atheism

      Originally posted by KarotheGreat View Post
      Now add the historical context and then you will come to the truth. The emperors that came after Constantine had more power than the ones that came before. Until Charlemagne there was only one emperor in the whole world and he spoke with the voice of god.

      Christians didn't do no such thing most of the time the people breaking down the power were not the Christians but everybody but the Christians. Some of these Emperors ruled until WW1 in one form or another.
      Didn't the Roman Empire divide into 2 somewhere in the 3rd century allowing 2 emperors to oversee the East an West half respectively?
      "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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      • Re: Religion and Atheism

        Originally posted by KarotheGreat View Post
        What is wrong with being an atheist?
        Congratulations, you are officially an intellectual! Curious, why have you then put proudly Vartan Mamikonian as your avatar?

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        • Re: Religion and Atheism

          Originally posted by Lucin View Post
          Congratulations, you are officially an intellectual! Curious, why have you then put proudly Vartan Mamikonian as your avatar?
          Because being a proud Armenian and being an atheist are not mutually exclusive.
          [COLOR=#4b0082][B][SIZE=4][FONT=trebuchet ms]“If you think you can, or you can’t, you’re right.”
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          • Re: Religion and Atheism

            Originally posted by Siggie View Post
            Because being a proud Armenian and being an atheist are not mutually exclusive.
            Nah that's not it, maybe you should read up a bit more on Armenian History to see what I meant...

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            • Re: Religion and Atheism

              Originally posted by Siggie View Post
              No ... The state would present their case and their evidence (the breathalyzer reading) and the defendant would highlight the error rate and whatever else. If the state's evidence isn't reliable, it will be given less weight, etc.
              I knew when I was adding that bit about the criminal standard of proof that you'd run with that and ignore the larger point. ZOMG, I think I just proved I'm psychic!
              The larger point is that when a scientific instrument fails, or the police have the power to make it fail, you have very little control over the outcome unless you can prove without a doubt that you didn't have alcohol that night. In most cases people plead guilty even if they are innocent because they have no way to prove it unless they have verifiable evidence that the machine was faulty or they have witness accounts. Either way, the entire trial can cost tens of thousands just because of blind faith in science.
              "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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              • Re: Religion and Atheism

                Originally posted by Lucin View Post
                Nah that's not it, maybe you should read up a bit more on Armenian History to see what I meant...
                I know exactly what you meant, thank you. You shouldn't assume I'm ignorant about our history.
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                • Re: Religion and Atheism

                  Originally posted by Siggie View Post
                  I know exactly what you meant, thank you. You shouldn't assume I'm ignorant about our history.
                  I didn't say you are ignorant. But according to what you said, it was clear you hadn't grasped the point.

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                  • Re: Religion and Atheism

                    Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                    Didn't the Roman Empire divide into 2 somewhere in the 3rd century allowing 2 emperors to oversee the East an West half respectively?
                    What does that have to do with them converting to Christianity? The two emperors had much more power than the ones that came before Constantine even though they controlled a smaller area, because each of them viewed himself as the voice of god on earth and this was much stronger in the middle ages. When you again had two emperors, both of them thought that they would be the ones fighting the apocalypse and prepare for the return of Christ. They were closest thing to the real god that existed.

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                    • Re: Religion and Atheism

                      Originally posted by Lucin View Post
                      Nah that's not it, maybe you should read up a bit more on Armenian History to see what I meant...
                      I am no history expert but only Turks like to claim there were no Armenians loooooong before Christianity showed up We have had a very proud and distinguished culture and identity even from the sun-worshiping days.
                      this post = teh win.

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